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Sylvia Else

Jan 1, 1970
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The prop is driven by the torque from the wheels.

It is not the wind driving the prop, it is the prop driving the
wind.

Any losses or effects you are worrying yourself with are as
negligible as it gets, and hence your opinions on it.

It doesn't matter which way round it is, it's an energy flow, and is the
product of the torque and angular velocity. It is not a 'loss' or an
'effect'. It's a non-negligible integral part of the operation of the
machine, and has to be accounted for in any energy based analysis thereof.

Sylvia.
 
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John Doe

Jan 1, 1970
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Nunya said:
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Bwuahahahahahaha! Jealous fuckhead!

Jealous of what, Jackie, pretending to be an inventor, running
around the Internet jumping into threads about something you wish
you had invented? If Ricky had ever actually invented anything, we
would have heard about it by now.
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John Doe

Jan 1, 1970
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The said:
John Larkin wrote:

I wonder what makes you join a thread entitled "Sail downwind
faster than the wind!" just to talk about electronic current
limiters? Is it because you got your butt handed to you on the
topic under discussion?

When I started this thread, I did not expect to have the attention
seeking fake inventors crash the party. This discussion would have
done just fine without Ricky and his pet.
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John Doe

Jan 1, 1970
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The attention-seeking wannabe inventor Rick Cavallaro <rick.spork
gmail.com said:
Jim Thompson wrote:

I don't mean to presume that you're referring to me as one of
the supposed sages,

Crashing this thread is your first appearance on UseNet anywhere,
Ricky, you big fat ego.
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John Doe

Jan 1, 1970
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The attention-seeking inventor-wannabe Rick Cavallaro <rick.spork
gmail.com said:
The beauty of it is that I'm absolutely certain that you've not
only heard of some of my inventions, but are paying for them so
I can buy my toys and pursue my hobbies.

And this is supposed to be another guessing game, Ricky? Or is
this just another delusion of grandeur?

What have you invented, Ricky?

I seriously doubt it, otherwise you would realize that the
inventor of the downwind-faster-than-the-wind craft did in fact
have an inventor, and the inventor is not "unknown".

And why are you wasting so much time screwing around with this
thing? I have not seen a practical application. Recreational
sailing?
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John Doe

Jan 1, 1970
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Attention-seeking inventor-wannabe Rick Cavallaro <rick.spork
gmail.com said:
John Doe wrote:

Yeah, it sucks to be called on your bullshit by people that know
what they're talking about.

Like the people from this group were telling me that it might be
possible, and that explained how moving upwind on wind power is
possible. I cruised on over to YouTube and noticed an extremely
simple experiment, so I gave up the argument.
I realize you couldn't see that coming. Sorry.

Of course I did not see you attention seeking inventor wannabes
coming, Ricky, in fact this is your first ever post to UseNet.

As has been mentioned by others, a self-proclaimed inventor not
providing prewritten explanations about his invention is weird.
That is how we do it here in the information age, Ricky. Running
around searching the Internet is very silly IMO, almost comical.
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John Doe

Jan 1, 1970
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Nunya said:
You are only about as retarded as it gets, Doe boy.

That's not what your mother says, Jackie,
you nym-shifting troll.
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John Doe

Jan 1, 1970
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Wannabe inventor Rick Cavallaro said:
John Doe professed:

Of course it had an inventor. But I've yet to figure out who it
was. We know that Andrew Bauer built such a cart based on paper
written by a student. The name of that student's professor is
known, but I've not been able to find the name of the student.
Nor do I know if it was his original work or whether he learned
of it from someone before him. I know two things for sure:

1) I conceived of it independently and can walk you through the
process by which I arrived at it. 2) I was definitely not the
first to have done so. I know of exactly one other case - and
there may be more.

You claim the inventor is not unknown. So, do tell us who
invented it.

Andrew Bauer. And, if no other record/disclosure exists, if Andrew
Bauer says that a student invented it, then that student invented
it. It is not a mystery.
Good question. I posed it as a brain-teaser. I like
brain-teasers, and I normally like the discussions that follow.
Although I've found a very different and discouraging dynamic
when they're done on-line.

Maybe because most of us, except trolls, want to get to the point.
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John Doe

Jan 1, 1970
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Rick Cavallaro <rick.spork gmail.com> wrote:

<Sorry, Ricky messed up the quoting>
John Doe <j... usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
Andrew Bauer [invented the downwind card]. And, if no other
record/disclosure exists, if Andrew Bauer says that a student
invented it, then that student invented it. It is not a
mystery.
No,

Yes.

it was definitely not Andrew Bauer. Bauer is not able to speak
for himself, but we've spoken to several of his colleagues.
They all concur that Bauer built his vehicle to prove a point to
fellow aerodynamicist A.M.O. Smith. There argument was over a
principle they read of in a student paper.

That student's name is not known - at least not to me or you, or
anyone we know of. Nor do you, me, or anyone we know of know
whether it was that student that first thought of it.

You are trying to confuse the issue, Ricky, but it is still not
confusing (even the way you try to confuse it).

The inventor is known, Ricky, you are not it, so cope with it and
stop running around the Internet pretending that you are the
inventor.
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John Doe

Jan 1, 1970
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ThinAirDesigns said:
John Larkin:

And of course he never said a dam thing about how much money he
made.

He alluded to it, you brown-nosing asshole. Now shut up, go away,
and stop searching the Internet for discussion of someone else's
invention, so you can jump into the discussion and brag about the
invention as if it is yours.
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John Doe

Jan 1, 1970
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He is in OFF-TOPICS!!!
You were the dumbfucks that started asking about credentials and
touting yourself as "better".

John told him to "get a life" and Ricky responded with "my life is
better than yours".

You are incredible, Jackie. You are constantly nym-shifting in a
lame attempt to hide the fact that you are a rampant raving troll,
and here you are nitpicking personalities.
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John Doe

Jan 1, 1970
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ThinAirDesigns said:
John Doe:

Then by all means, spit out the inventors name knumbnuts

The inventor is known, Nairhead, but some people have been
misinformed...

http://tinyurl.com/26fe4f2

"The inventor, Rick Cavallaro, promises..."

http://tinyurl.com/28nadbl

"Cavallaro did the math and built a model to prove DWFTTW is possible."

NOTICE NO MENTION OF THE REAL INVENTOR IN ANY OF THESE ARTICLES.

http://tinyurl.com/2cpe9tv

"[going downwind faster than the wind] may seem impossible, but
after a year of tinkering and some financial assistance from
Google and Joby Energy, they did it."

"They've formed a company, called Thin Air Designs, to try and tap
the commercial potential of their cart."

THE AIRHEADS ACTUALLY THINK THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF
SOMEONE ELSE'S INVENTION

http://tinyurl.com/2fuykca

"Can a vehicle be built which can go directly downwind, faster
than the wind (DDWFTTW), powered only by the wind, steady state?
Thin Air Designs, in collaboration with the San Jose State
University Aero department, along with generous corporate sponsors
intend to definitively answer this question."

BULLSHIT! IT WAS ALREADY INVENTED AND PROVED.

http://tinyurl.com/2de8lxx

"The Downwind Faster Than the Wind (DWFTTW) vehicle, previously
perceived to be a mere pipe dream, is now a reality."

BULLSHIT! IT WAS ALREADY INVENTED AND PROVED.

....

And that is less than half of 53 Google Internet search results for

inventor Cavallaro "faster than the wind"

Here is the math, from the real inventer.

http://projects.m-qp-m.us/donkeypus...aster-Than-The-Wind-The-Ancient-Interface.pdf

http://tinyurl.com/27gfy98
 
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John Doe

Jan 1, 1970
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ThinAirDesigns said:
Notice in the THIRD PARAGRAPH of the treatment you posted Bauer
clearly states that he DID NOT INVENT this device.

Does not say that, Niarhead.
The inventor is *unknown*

I can imagine lots of things that certainly will come about given
enough time, but just talking about something does not make me the
inventor. Here is the introduction by the inventor Andrew Bauer,
the reader can decide whether just talking about a problem and its
possible solution is the same as explicitly presenting the
solution. Since no one else explicitly presented the solution,
then IMO Andrew Bauer is the inventor.

INTRODUCTION

If one is given a uniform wind traveling over a level surface, is
it possible to construct a man carrying vehicle which by use of
wind energy alone can accelerate in the wind direction from zero
speed up to a speed larger than the wind speed? For variety, the
level surface may be considered to be either a hard surface or a
body of water. The work described in this paper has been carried
out for the purpose of answering this problem.

Clearly, no ordinary sailboat can perform this task, inasmuch as
the relative wind drops to zero as the boat approaches the wind
velocity, whereas the hull drag is consistently increasing. A land
vehicle has essentially the same problem because of rolling
friction. Therefore one is tempted to answer this problem in the
negative.

The above problem had its genesis at the University of Michigan
where it was communicated to Mr. D.L. Elder some 20 years ago. The
proposed solution involved the use of a propeller geared to the
wheels in the case of a land vehicle or geared to a second
propeller in the water for the boating case. Thus, the usual sail
was to be replaced by a propeller geared to a wheel or a second
propeller. If sufficient power were available to drive the first
propeller, the vehicle could travel faster than the wind, but as
soon as one suggests that this power be obtained by gearing the
propeller to either the wheels or the water propeller, most
individuals will associate the idea with perpetual motion and will
claim that the vehicle cannot possibly travel faster than the
wind.

The writer has always claimed that such a vehicle can be built and
operated successfully. The technical part of this paper serves to
analyze the performance of such a vehicle, and performance charts
for typical water and land vehicles are presented. A second part
describes the land vehicle which has been built by the writer and
operated at speeds faster than the wind.
We have NEVER made ANY claim of invention of this device.

Then why are you offended by the fact that the inventor is known,
Airhead? Your boss Rick Cavallaro insists that he came up with the
idea independently. Why?

The problem, Airhead, is that you are running around the Internet
giving everybody the impression, if not explicitly stating (who
knows), that you invented the device, without any sort of
disclaimer. Try reading the post you just replied to, or simply do
a Google Internet search for this criteria.

inventor Cavallaro "faster than the wind"
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John Doe

Jan 1, 1970
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JB, Please change your attribution style in your newsreader so
that I can timestamp Larkin's nonsense (without me having to see
his actual posts :). Let's bring this bloviator down once and
for all.

You are addressing an AOL user, Thomas, you are going to have to
dumb it down, way down. And by the way, Thomas your signature is
too long.
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John Doe

Jan 1, 1970
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AirheadDesigns said:
John Larkin:

Yes, I'm sure you find it "weird" that some folks won't just let
you make shit up without calling you on it and proving you
wrong.

You wanna try the little "he was testing whether we could do old
english conversions" routine again so I can post the proof that
you're a lying pussy?

You are a complete waste of time, Airhead...
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John Doe

Jan 1, 1970
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AirheadDesigns said:
John Larkin:

Oh, you think this is random? --

I think you are obsessive, probably raging against the idea that
your fly-by-night busines is a flop. Of all places on the Internet
you can a push your business, UseNet is not it.
this you say shit and I prove you wrong?

Only in your Airhead, Airhead, the same place the laughter comes
from.
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John Doe

Jan 1, 1970
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AirheadDesigns said:
John Doe:

You can "IMO" all you wish, but in YOUR link that YOU provided
claiming that Bauer has the "actual inventor" Bauer states
clearly that he was not the inventor.

If Andrew Bauer does not want to be the inventor, then so be it,
Airhead, but you are inferring too much from his paper.
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