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Discussion in 'Electronic Design' started by Gareth, Apr 14, 2004.

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  1. Gareth

    Gareth Guest

    I have been told that the process for becoming a chartered engineer will
    be much more difficult after the end of this year, so I should apply
    now, but I can't see the point.

    What are peoples opinions on the merits of becoming a chartered engineer
    and how is it likely to benefit an electronic engineer working in the UK?


  2. It depends very much on what you are doing now and your career plans.
    You need a careers adviser, because you won't want to put all the
    necessary personal details on the newsgroup.
  3. Essentially, nil.

    Kevin Aylward
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  4. I read in that Kevin Aylward <kevindotaylwardEXTR
    That's as things are now; they may not stay that way. It's a toss-up
    whether governments will impose qualification requirements for certain
    jobs or not. Already, we are faced with the fact that a Chartered
    Electrical Engineer soon won't be allowed to run a new ring circuit in
    his own home, unless he also has a low-level technician's qualification.
    Utter madness!
  5. Mike Page

    Mike Page Guest

    The IEE run occasional evening meetings addressing exactly these
    questions. I went to one, and can thoroughly recommend it to you.

    As for the merits - in my own case it will cost me nothing (except the
    boredom involved in form filling), and will benefit me little in the
    immediate future. But I think I would regret not doing it.

  6. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    Here in the colonies a homeowner can wire *his own* house, without any
    license requirement whatsoever.

    Disclaimer: This probably isn't true in the People's Commonwealth of
    Massa-two-shits... the closest thing we have to a church-police state
    this side of the pond. Their Senior Senator was expelled from
    Haaahvaaahrd for cheating, and they once re-elected the Mayor of
    Boston while he was cooling his heels in the slammer ;-)

    ...Jim Thompson
  7. Tim Wescott

    Tim Wescott Guest

    On this side of the pond it depends on what you're going to do. If you
    want to work with itty bitty clean things like circuits that go inside
    of nice little boxes to be sold in great quantities to the Great
    Unwashed then a Professional Engineers certificate means nothing.

    On the other hand if you're going to work with Great Big Dirty Things
    like one-off 500 horsepower motor installations for the local paper mill
    that could cost 25 lives and a few million dollars if it burst into
    flame one day then yes, a PE is a good thing to have.
  8. Ian Bell

    Ian Bell Guest

    Intriguing - please expand.

  9. Ian Bell

    Ian Bell Guest

    Pretty much the same this side of the pond too.

  10. Ian Bell

    Ian Bell Guest

    In 20 years of recruiting electronic engineers I never found any correlation
    between ability and the possession of a C.Eng (except an occasional
    negative one) and certainly no connection between a C.Eng and career

  11. krw

    krw Guest

    ....and their Junior Senator is even loonier.
    Boston isn't unique. The whole right coast is full of such examples.
    RI and DC come to mind too. Though I gotta admit, Taxyourtwoshits pegs
    the loon-meter.
  12. N. Thornton

    N. Thornton Guest

    Though that doesnt imply that employers will know that.

    Regards, NT
  13. JeffM

    JeffM Guest

    work with itty bitty clean things [nix]
    It does look kinda cool the way Jim Thompson & Paul Hovnanian
    get to put P.E. behind their names. :cool:
  14. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    Doesn't mean diddly. Competency isn't certifiable ;-)

    ...Jim Thompson
  15. Mike Page

    Mike Page Guest

    If something is in reach and you don't grab hold of it, when it's gone
    you'll wonder "what if", and never have the answer. I don't have a
    crystal ball.
  16. Ian Buckner

    Ian Buckner Guest

    Are you claiming to be certifiable, Jim?


  17. Bill Sloman

    Bill Sloman Guest

    And do remember that there are two levels of filtering in most hiring
    processes - your letter or e-mail applying for the job usually gets
    filtered by somebody in the personnel department who knows nothing
    about engineering and can see C.Eng as a job qualification and its
    absence as a disqualification. Only after they've had a chance to
    exercise their irrational prejudices do the engineers get to see your
    CV, and exercise their own set of largely irrational prejudices.

    I've got a long list of stories about the idiocies perpetrated by
    personnel departments, acquired from both sides of the fence.

    My favorite involves an utterly brilliant Chinese mechanical engineer
    who had acquired a Ph.D. in physics working on electron microscopes,
    who made three applications to the Cambridge Instruments (now Leica
    Cambridge) personnel department and was rejected without interview on
    all three occasions.

    If hs wife hadn't played badminton with the wife of one of our
    engineers, his CV would never have gotten into the hands of the senior
    engineer (which wasn't me) who got him hired in jig time.
  18. Oh, no need for him to CLAIM anything! :cool:
  19. Tim Mitchell

    Tim Mitchell Guest

    Coming in a bit late here, but if you want (eventually) to be an
    engineering manager in a large organisation, many will not consider you
    if you do not have C.Eng. I used to work for part of the great British
    Rail and that was certainly the case there, and I would expect still is
    for the higher up engineering jobs. They would not take you on as a
    management trainee unless you were working for chartered status and had
    the necessary accredited academic qualifications to get there.

    If on the other hand you actually want a job where you do stuff with
    electronics, I am not sure it will be of any benefit.
  20. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest


    40-some years ago when I was a student in Cambridge there was a fellow
    running for the Massa-two-shits legislature claiming he was the only
    sane candidate... citing the "sanity" certificate he had been issued
    upon his release from the state nut house ;-)

    ...Jim Thompson
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