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Terry Given

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
That makes sense. I think that most liberals and most conservatives
really pretty much want the same ends, a prosperous, healthy, just
society, but disagree on methods.

John

ayup. Not only that, but the labels are rather inadequate - after all,
how can you sum up a single persons beliefs with a word, and hope to be
accurate? now extend that to, say, 100,000,000 people, and the label
gets even less accurate.

The word "just" is also likely to be a strong point of difference - eg a
lesbian vs a christian fundamentalist likely have opposing views of what
is just.

Cheers
Terry
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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ayup. Not only that, but the labels are rather inadequate - after all,
how can you sum up a single persons beliefs with a word, and hope to be
accurate? now extend that to, say, 100,000,000 people, and the label
gets even less accurate.

Just chop the statism/individualism distribution down the middle,
maybe. But sure, there are few purists on either side, and fewer
honest ones.
The word "just" is also likely to be a strong point of difference - eg a
lesbian vs a christian fundamentalist likely have opposing views of what
is just.

Cheers
Terry


There are then two issues: differences in desired outcomes (different
visions of Utopia) and differences in perception of the best method to
get there. I think that in the USA, the outcome thing is less divisive
than the methods issue. The outcome goal has been steadily
liberalizing throughout US and European history; it's hard to find a
public figure who would argue for racial discrimination or against
womens' legal rights or against environmental controls any more. The
debate is largely on method, driven largely by where the money will
go.


John
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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ayup. Not only that, but the labels are rather inadequate - after all,
how can you sum up a single persons beliefs with a word, and hope to be
accurate? now extend that to, say, 100,000,000 people, and the label
gets even less accurate.

The word "just" is also likely to be a strong point of difference - eg a
lesbian vs a christian fundamentalist likely have opposing views of what
is just.

Cheers
Terry


Hey, this is good:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1340525,00.html


Tom Wolfe is this country's premiere BS detector. His writing is great
(except for A Man In Full, not a great novel in my opinion.) His
social commentaries and The Right Stuff were very good.

He is also - I've been to one of his talks - a fairly weird guy.

John
 
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Watson A.Name - \Watt Sun, the Dark Remover\

Jan 1, 1970
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John Larkin said:
That makes sense. I think that most liberals and most conservatives
really pretty much want the same ends, a prosperous, healthy, just
society, but disagree on methods.

John

Perhaps that's because if you look past the pigeonholing terminology,
we're all people with certain traits of both.


So now past the serious point, please answer this...
What is forty feet long and has eight teeth?
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The front row at a Willie Nelson Concert!!
 
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Blair P. Houghton

Jan 1, 1970
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John Larkin said:
That makes sense. I think that most liberals and most conservatives
really pretty much want the same ends, a prosperous, healthy, just
society, but disagree on methods.

Conservatives believe the rules are more important than the principles.

Liberals believe the principles are more important than the rules.

--Blair
"It has a lot to do with who made the rules
and who they made them to profit."
 
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hamilton

Jan 1, 1970
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Richard said:
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It would be funnier if it had some portion of truth to it.

Here is truth:

Conservatives want to control your life, but will let you keep your money.

Liberals want to control your money, but will let you keep your life.



























;-)
 
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Dennis M. O'Connor

Jan 1, 1970
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hamilton said:
Here is truth:
Conservatives want to control your life, but will let you keep your money.
Liberals want to control your money, but will let you keep your life.

What bullshit. Kerry is advocating a draft ("mandatory service")
for all young adults. No "Conservative" is doing that.

And show me someone from either side that is willing to let
competent adults make their own decisions about what they
eat, drink, breath, smoke or inject into themselves !
 
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Dennis M. O'Connor

Jan 1, 1970
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Blair P. Houghton said:
Liberals believe the principles are more important than the rules.

So what "principle" was it that led Clinton to cheat on his wife
with a government-provided intern, and then commit perjury
when asked about it ? What "principle" motivated the Liberal
nutjob that tried to run Katherine Harris down with his car ?
Or the Liberal thief caught on videotape stealing Bush signs
from his neighbor's front yard ?

The only principle the Democratic Party has is
"Do and say what you need to to win."
 
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Marc 182

Jan 1, 1970
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What bullshit. Kerry is advocating a draft ("mandatory service")
for all young adults. No "Conservative" is doing that.

This falls under the category of "I reject your reality and substitute
my own". Kerry isn't and hasn't. You made it up. Post evidence if you
think you have any.

Marc
 
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Watson A.Name - \Watt Sun, the Dark Remover\

Jan 1, 1970
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Dennis M. O'Connor said:
life.

What bullshit. Kerry is advocating a draft ("mandatory service")
for all young adults. No "Conservative" is doing that.

Umm, the draft's already mandatory. It's part of the law.

I walk by the handout racks at the college where I work, and I see reams
of gov't supplied flyers titled "It's What A Man's Got To Do".
In other words, when you (males) turn 18, you have to register for the
DRAFT.

DUH.
And show me someone from either side that is willing to let
competent adults make their own decisions about what they
eat, drink, breath, smoke or inject into themselves !

To quote your own words, "> What bullshit."
 
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Dennis M. O'Connor

Jan 1, 1970
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Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun said:
Umm, the draft's already mandatory. It's part of the law.

No, registration for the draft is mandatory, and only for men.
The draft itself is inactive. No one is being drafted NOW.

But Kerry proposed mandatory service for all high school students.
And Democrat Rep. Charles Rangel of NY pushed a bill in Congress
for mandatory military service.

Forced servitude to the state is a common thing in socialist countries,
so it is no surprise that the Democrats are pushing it.
To quote your own words, "> What bullshit."

I see no meaning in your response.
 
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Jeff Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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hamilton said:
Here is truth:

Conservatives want to control your life, but will let you keep your money.

Liberals want to control your money, but will let you keep your life.
They both want to control your life, they only differ in what
part of it they want to control. And _everyone_ wants your money.
 
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