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  1. Clarence

    Clarence Guest

  2. John Larkin

    John Larkin Guest


    That makes sense. I think that most liberals and most conservatives
    really pretty much want the same ends, a prosperous, healthy, just
    society, but disagree on methods.

    John
     
  3. Terry Given

    Terry Given Guest

    ayup. Not only that, but the labels are rather inadequate - after all,
    how can you sum up a single persons beliefs with a word, and hope to be
    accurate? now extend that to, say, 100,000,000 people, and the label
    gets even less accurate.

    The word "just" is also likely to be a strong point of difference - eg a
    lesbian vs a christian fundamentalist likely have opposing views of what
    is just.

    Cheers
    Terry
     
  4. John Larkin

    John Larkin Guest

    Just chop the statism/individualism distribution down the middle,
    maybe. But sure, there are few purists on either side, and fewer
    honest ones.

    There are then two issues: differences in desired outcomes (different
    visions of Utopia) and differences in perception of the best method to
    get there. I think that in the USA, the outcome thing is less divisive
    than the methods issue. The outcome goal has been steadily
    liberalizing throughout US and European history; it's hard to find a
    public figure who would argue for racial discrimination or against
    womens' legal rights or against environmental controls any more. The
    debate is largely on method, driven largely by where the money will
    go.


    John
     
  5. John Larkin

    John Larkin Guest


    Hey, this is good:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1340525,00.html


    Tom Wolfe is this country's premiere BS detector. His writing is great
    (except for A Man In Full, not a great novel in my opinion.) His
    social commentaries and The Right Stuff were very good.

    He is also - I've been to one of his talks - a fairly weird guy.

    John
     
  6. "Jim Thompson" wrote ...

    It would be funnier if it had some portion of truth to it.
     
  7. Perhaps that's because if you look past the pigeonholing terminology,
    we're all people with certain traits of both.


    So now past the serious point, please answer this...
    What is forty feet long and has eight teeth?
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    The front row at a Willie Nelson Concert!!
     
  8. Rich Grise

    Rich Grise Guest

  9. Conservatives believe the rules are more important than the principles.

    Liberals believe the principles are more important than the rules.

    --Blair
    "It has a lot to do with who made the rules
    and who they made them to profit."
     
  10. hamilton

    hamilton Guest

    Here is truth:

    Conservatives want to control your life, but will let you keep your money.

    Liberals want to control your money, but will let you keep your life.



























    ;-)
     
  11. Rich Grise

    Rich Grise Guest

  12. What bullshit. Kerry is advocating a draft ("mandatory service")
    for all young adults. No "Conservative" is doing that.

    And show me someone from either side that is willing to let
    competent adults make their own decisions about what they
    eat, drink, breath, smoke or inject into themselves !
     
  13. So what "principle" was it that led Clinton to cheat on his wife
    with a government-provided intern, and then commit perjury
    when asked about it ? What "principle" motivated the Liberal
    nutjob that tried to run Katherine Harris down with his car ?
    Or the Liberal thief caught on videotape stealing Bush signs
    from his neighbor's front yard ?

    The only principle the Democratic Party has is
    "Do and say what you need to to win."
     
  14. Marc 182

    Marc 182 Guest

    This falls under the category of "I reject your reality and substitute
    my own". Kerry isn't and hasn't. You made it up. Post evidence if you
    think you have any.

    Marc
     
  15. Umm, the draft's already mandatory. It's part of the law.

    I walk by the handout racks at the college where I work, and I see reams
    of gov't supplied flyers titled "It's What A Man's Got To Do".
    In other words, when you (males) turn 18, you have to register for the
    DRAFT.

    DUH.
    To quote your own words, "> What bullshit."
     
  16. No, registration for the draft is mandatory, and only for men.
    The draft itself is inactive. No one is being drafted NOW.

    But Kerry proposed mandatory service for all high school students.
    And Democrat Rep. Charles Rangel of NY pushed a bill in Congress
    for mandatory military service.

    Forced servitude to the state is a common thing in socialist countries,
    so it is no surprise that the Democrats are pushing it.
    I see no meaning in your response.
     
  17. They both want to control your life, they only differ in what
    part of it they want to control. And _everyone_ wants your money.
     
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