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  1. Not yet ;)
  2. John Fields

    John Fields Guest

  3. ehsjr

    ehsjr Guest

    I am not upset. But it is clear you have no ability
    to support what you have said with facts, so you
    engage in diversion.

  4. From

    "Be totally honest with any discussions. Never lie or state anything that is
    not a fact. For example, never say, "I know you are going to get well." You
    can't possibly know that."


    "Don't give advice on new treatments and certainly don't recommend
    alternative therapies such as laetrile, macrobiotic diets, etc. No two cases
    of cancer are the same. No two people are the same. Treatments, side effects
    or results for one patient can be completely different for another."

    Not that I need pages on Internet to know what is right/wrong, thank god I
    have a
    brain myself.
  5. Guest

    He doesn't have lung or liver cancer, he has colon cancer, with
    matastasies to liver and lungs. It's an important distinction, because
    the cancer's behavior is determined by the cells that originally gave
    rise to it. Those are the cells that have travelled and taken root,
    causing new tumors elsewhere.

    My g.f.'s granny had colon cancer with matastasies to her liver,
    years ago, and was given 6 months to live, assuming treatment. She
    preferred not to be treated, lasted three years nonetheless, and was in
    decent shape for most of that.

    My g.f. says her granny was a tough old bird who simply wasn't ready
    to go. She was annoyed at the doctor's death sentence, and determined
    to prove him wrong. She was old though--mid 80's--wearied, and passed
    later, when she was darn good and ready.

    Right. The fact is Jim's kid is in a hellua fix, however, it is also
    a fact that well-supported non-stressed people recover from
    standardized wounds 9 days faster than age-matched Alzheimer's
    care-givers. Fearful patients going into surgery have much higher
    infection rates (don't have the figures handy). Attitude makes a huge

    My mom's seen it all -- she's been treating cancer patients nearly as
    long as Jim's been designing electronics. She often reports that
    patients who are involved in and participate in their care fare *much*
    better. Often, she spots them, and knows who'll do well and who won't.
    Patients who merely show up to be worked on, passively, like bringing
    their car to a mechanic, don't do as well. Patients who are distraught
    don't fare as well.

    Why? Poorly understood, of course. Scads of hard science shows fear
    and distress measureably and dramatically suppress immune function,
    while prayer, meditation, and visualization improve it. Maybe that's
    why. Or maybe not. But it's real.

    The upshot is that Jim's kid *can* improve his chances a lot simply
    by choosing to.

    Heartfelt best wishes to Jim and family,

    James Arthur
  6. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    On 3 Apr 2006 14:34:09 -0700, wrote:


    ...Jim Thompson
  7. That's just a correlation.

    As I said before, maybe the fearful patients can sense that they are
    sicker than the more confident ones.
    I don't see any basis for this conclusion in the above correlation.
    What's your basis for claiming causation?
    What's your basis for favoring this over the alternative explanation that
    suppressed immune function causes fear and distress? (Or that some as-yet
    unidentified factor causes both.)

    Is there really a way to do a double blind study where random patients are
    distressed or reassured to see how they survive surgery?
  8. Fred Bloggs

    Fred Bloggs Guest

    Forget the damned oscillator. This is the book I was thinking about, a
    learned cell biological theoretical basis for the power of self-healing:

    The Biology Of Belief: Unleashing The Power Of Consciousness, Matter And
    Miracles- Bruce Lipton
  9. Chuck Harris

    Chuck Harris Guest

    Cool, but entirely unsupported by peer review, or any other scientific

  10. Fred Bloggs

    Fred Bloggs Guest

    Check the references section, and look up the meaning of "synthesis"- it
    is understood to be hypothetical but plausible scientific conjecture in
    some things and strong observation of experimental results in others.
    The subject matter is mainstream science. Unconvinced? Go take a leap.
  11. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    Personally I'm a non-believer, but who's to say... half the prayer
    groups in Phoenix have been activated by our many friends.

    Duane went home yesterday, started chemo today.

    Now asking my wife/his mother to make all the home-cooked things...
    real beef burritos, etc ;-)

    ...Jim Thompson
  12. John  Larkin

    John Larkin Guest

    OK. I don't like railing U5, because it may do funny things to the
    delay around the loop, and waste power... some opamps get weird when
    you do this. And the diode hard clipping creates more distortion than
    you'd get if you soft-clipped the tops of the feedback but left it
    sorta sinusoidal.

    I'd expect that you might get more distortion, especially 2nd
    harmonic, in real life, as compared to the sim.

    You did ask.

    I should post my 1-transistor, low-distortion, super-amplitude-stable
    oscillator, which I did as a kid, for the Boresight Alignment System
    on the C-5A.

  13. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:02:09 -0700, John Larkin

    Please do ;-)

    ...Jim Thompson
  14. Guest

    Yes, of course. One supposes that competent clinicians are competent
    enough to anticipate this objection and compare outcomes between
    patients in similar condition, eliminating your concern.
    The section you quoted below was the basis, as well as the data from
    my mom. I don't expect *you* to believe her reports -- you don't know
    her. I do. She's sharp, and she's treated god knows how many cancer
    patients these past 30 years. That's what she does.
    That's certainly an appealing explanation. With any illness, of
    course distress and anxiety are natural; people who overcome these are
    the exception. They have better outcomes.
    Standardized questionaires could easily be used to assess anxiety.
    One study compared patients' wound-healing with and without relaxation
    training prior to surgery.

    Here's some info on effect of stress on wound-healing: healing days

    Exercise helps too:

    Stress affects lizards too:
    which hypothesizes: when psychologically stressed, energy is diverted
    from the immune system (fact), presumably to make it available for a
    hasty escape (hypothesis).

    Being presumptuous, we presume that lizards do not predict, rejoice,
    or lament their impending fates.

    Also, note that wound-healing, like recovering from cancer, is an
    immune response.

    I recall a year or so ago it was reported that exercising breast
    cancer survivors had stunningly lower recurrance rates. I'm personally
    curious to know whether that'll turn out to be due either to the
    exercise iitself, or vitamin D obtained thereby. (A credible guy on
    National Public Radio mused not long ago that vitamin D deficiency is
    more common than thought, and believes this contributes to a large
    number of cancers.)

    Sorry for the late reply ... I missed your post.

    James Arthur
  15. Terry Given

    Terry Given Guest

    Oh ****, Jim, I just read this thread, and wept.

    I cannot offer my prayers as I do not believe in deities, but please
    know that my thoughts are with you and your family.

    I am impressed with many of the comments though; on the whole, engineers
    are a smart bunch of people.

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