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Opinions on alarms systems configured/monitored over IP network

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Pat Coghlan

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm looking for opinions on commercial alarm systems that enable alarm
panels to be configured and monitored over an IP network - requiring
little or no keypad programming at all.

I am familiar only with the Summit eNT system by Edwards (formerly
Integrated Security Solutions), which does both alarm and access
control and allows the panels to be configured from the central site - a
hard requirement for me.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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What do you have for existing control panels? Or is this for something new,
or a combination of both? Are you talking for internal monitoring, remotely,
or both. There are a few options available, some more affordable than
others.

Jack
 
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PhAnToMx

Jan 1, 1970
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DSC has a product called the TL250 (ULC approved Ethernet communications
panel) which can act stand-alone (has 4 inputs on board) and can be
expanded with an expansion board to 12 inputs. The TL250 does not
require a keypad infact you can not add one. All programming is done
through PC-Link. It can also be added onto the 832 or 4020 to allow
full systems to communicate via IP. Make sure that your central station
has the proper receivers as this is a fairly new product but it works
well. I have deployed 15 this past month alone for one of my clients.
 
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Jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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Radionic's will be your most expensive option. You should look at DMP, the
head end will be 2/3 cheaper, and all field equipment will be about 1/3 the
cost of Radionic's, plus the product line is backward/forward compatible up
and down the entire product line. No software fees, dongle horse crap, or
expensive monitoring solutions. What you see as $9,100 with Radionic's would
cost under $4K with DMP. I was a Radionic's dealer for 8 years....now I
actually make money, have half the stock. I've been using DMP's Network
Routers for 5 years, and built a Central Station in 2002 totally dedicated
to Internet Monitoring (TCP/IP), with video verification. Been there done
it....
 
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Pat Coghlan

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm talking about having an appliation running on a (preferably Windows)
workstation at a central station which administers a system capable of
providing access control (card reader/PINpad) and intrusion detection
functions.

The central station should be able to:

- receive active alarms
- configure alarm inputs/relays/zones
- administer cardholders

Summit eNT does all of this, but what about other systems?

-Pat
 
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Jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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DMP does all of that. UL Fire/Burg/Access. Remote Admin functions directly
through RemoteLink (Free) Dealer Software. Alarm Monitoring Module(s)
(add-on) for monitoring from 1 to 5,000 accounts, with or without a
receiver. From 1 to 10,000 users per site, 16 doors per panel, 1 to 574
inputs, 505 outputs, Admin readers, and any Wiegand card format from 17 to
37 bit. Windows Based. Everything a user can do, you can do remotely, as
well as programming. Alarms transmitted in 70 to 90 mille-seconds, UL "AA"
supervision, and even AES encryption. If you have any specific
questions....let me know. Be glad to answer them.

Jack
 
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Jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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Let me know how it works out. I haven't met the new rep out there yet. Gary
Ross, the old rep there, moved on and started his own company. I made the
mistake of getting another dealer (from Cambridge) fired up with them. I
helped them (layout and installation) of a Leer Corporation Plant in
Zanesville. I do a lot of work in Ohio. Let me know if I can ever help out.

Jack
 
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Pat Coghlan

Jan 1, 1970
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The DMP system looks more suited to monitoring multiple clients, versus
the hardware associated with a single enterprise.

The Lenel product seems to be more in line with this requirement.

Others?
 
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Jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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If cost and profit is not an issue....I agree. Look into AMAG, and you'll
see the marriage.
I do like Lenel though.
As well as MDI.
AMAG and DMP have the best interface that I've seen out there, and
especially for what you described. I understand your need to connect down to
the programming level, but most of what you'll find will only interface
through input/output information back to a Central location. When you choose
an Enterprise solution, there are some limitations not so much for
burg/access, but also when you get into fire. Few Enterprise solutions are
listed for fire, and I'm not just talking monitoring it, that's a whole
other issue, but the actual devices, installation.

http://www.amag.com/Products_Node_View.asp?id=58
 
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J. Sloud

Jan 1, 1970
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Few Enterprise solutions are
listed for fire, and I'm not just talking monitoring it, that's a whole
other issue, but the actual devices, installation.

A EST3 Synergy system would be one I'm familiar with. Not only will
it do access/ fire/ ba/ cctv but it will also interface via Lontalk to
a host of other systems enabling true integration.

Jack, what else out there will do the same?
 
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Crash Gordon®

Jan 1, 1970
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Shhhhh.
Next you're gonna tell him how freekin' easy they are to program too.
 
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Jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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J. Sloud said:
A EST3 Synergy system would be one I'm familiar with. Not only will
it do access/ fire/ ba/ cctv but it will also interface via Lontalk to
a host of other systems enabling true integration.

Jack, what else out there will do the same?

Well there's only a few. More and more of the big access boys are getting on
board with things like BacNet, Modbus, Lontalk, and some deeper PLC
Integration. Probably out of all the complete systems I've seen I'd have to
say Andover Controls has some pretty decent stuff. Embedded servers are just
starting to gain momentum, and the programmers are flooding the fields now
with creativeness. The problem for most is, there are so many protocols out
there, where do you focus? And who are/is your client. These technologies
mostly get born, as you know, from Government dealings. I've been seriously
focusing on these embedded servers because there are a few which cross with
multiple protocols, and communications. I know Siemens uses products similar
to Andover Controls, and more and more big clients are looking at the single
package. But....it's not all in house...yet. Electricians are getting
involved and finding a big niche.
MDI for a while in the early 90's also focused a little attention at going
down that road as well. As far as I know, MDI was the first Enterprise
Platform to be UL listed for fire, where others followed only in the
monitoring side of things.
Johnson Controls and Honeywell are probably the most known, through name
recognition, but again, neither are total in house solutions.
AMAG now has a BacNet interface, and along with a DMP interface, so they are
also a good consideration.
I think Lenel and Radionic's also have an Integration Package. I don't know
where Lenel is on the PLC side of things, but the two owners (founders) can
right some serious code.
That's only the security side of things....Turn to the PLC side of the
world....there are hundreds of companies with OAS, PLC Integration and
Automation. None of them have really focused on the security side of things,
there's too much money in Industrial Systems.
 
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Jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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Well you can always hang a 5200 programmer on the door, and still impress
your customers....
;-)

Shhhhh.
Next you're gonna tell him how freekin' easy they are to program too.
 
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Jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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or try programming a Black Keypad in a poorly lighted entrance way....

Shhhhh.
Next you're gonna tell him how freekin' easy they are to program too.
 
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Crash Gordon®

Jan 1, 1970
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It still impressive when I go to a client's house with my black suitcase (5200) to program their old radx. I still have the earlier programmer too...5100? - the one with the wand.
 
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Crash Gordon®

Jan 1, 1970
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I carry a little LED keychain light so when I keypad program I can see the stupid letters. I really hated when my guys would install the keypads at ADA height ,,, down on yer knees to program.

I ripped out an ITI the other day (not our install)..the stupid thing was mounted at lightswitch height...sheesh.
 
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Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
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Jackcsg said:
Well you can always hang a 5200 programmer on the door, and still impress
your customers....
;-)

Not really, that thing looks like an ancient relic these days
 
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Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
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It still impressive when I go to a client's house with my black suitcase
(5200) to program their old radx. I still have the earlier programmer
too...5100? - the one with the wand.

You can tell him the 5100 also will scan his groceries
 
Our company has used the DMP products for many years. A few years back
they came out with an ethernet adaptor for monitoring their XR200 and
above over a lan or wan. Our SCS-1 receiver is equiped to monitor
these over the 'net. These panels can also be programed and controlled
over the same network. I have also worked with fiber on these and they
seem to work quite well with a fiber connection between locations. Most
of our service and installers like the panel for ease of programming
from the keypad. DMP also has a download program avalible for free to
dealers for complete system programming over a dial-up or network
connection. These panels can also be installed to UL standards for fire
systems for monitoring over the 'net.
 
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Pat Coghlan

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned (knows about) the Summit eNT product
from Edwards Security (http://www.edwards.ca).

Of course, the website doesn't offer any useful information about the
Summit eNT product, I just discovered.

This is an enterprise product, providing ONLY alarm
configuration/monitoring/reports and access control.

As you indicated, most other companies really haven't focused on the
security side of things.
 
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