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Discussion in 'Home Power and Microgeneration' started by amdx, Apr 26, 2012.

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  1. amdx

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  2. amdx

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  3. mike

    mike Guest

    you provided ON-TOPIC information.
    you did NOT ask a question.
    you got no reples.
    BEST NEWSGROUP EVER!!!

    Be careful what you wish for ;-)
     
  4. j

    j Guest

    You don't always need a reply. Many of the "worst" threads are full of
    replies!

    The experiment is interesting, but beyond my means or desires. And there
    is little practical I can add. It appears that since this doesn't even
    have nickel that the reaction is totally within the hydrogen gas and the
    nickel in the LENR or the tungsten here is either a catalyst or a
    conductor.

    So,thanks. But I have nothing to add that would be helpful. Even my
    level of speculation is speculative!

    Like most here, I'm standing by.

    Jeff
     
  5. amdx

    amdx Guest

    Yes, "I'm standing by" is correct, I think I've been
    watching the E-cat/LENR saga for about 8 months now.
    I hope it is the new technology that drives the future.

    Mikek
     
  6. mike

    mike Guest

    I just can't believe this stuff works.
    It's such a GAME CHANGER that anybody with a working system should/could
    provide a credible demonstration.

    Put it in a black box in my garage with armed guards.
    Power comes out in some form, heat, electricity, radiation.
    Any idiot with a stopwatch, thermometer and a milk jug of water
    can tell if it puts out more energy than known processes of the same
    mass. We're talking about HUGE relative energy output.
    Shouldn't be hard
    to measure at all. Accuracy is irrelevant if it's huge.

    All this obfuscation smells, but it don't quack.
     
  7. j

    j Guest

    I see this somewhat differently. It looks to me that it requires a
    current flow. There are anodes and cathodes in all these that you see
    details for.

    Here is something from a dozen years ago:

    http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ArataYanomalousp.pdf

    As far as being a useful device, it depends on what for and how
    efficient it is. A low COP is useful for heating, but not useful for
    generating power. If the efficiency of your thermal engine/generator is
    25%, you would need a COP of 4 to break even. And electricity is not a
    cheap energy source. Figures I saw ran around a COP of 6 for the best
    models.

    On the other hand, I think that you Morris, will make the most progress
    of us all. I'm excited...

    Jeff
     
  8. mike

    mike Guest

    There's always an excuse to follow the previous excuse that follows.....
    Ok, I'll grant you some slack on the risk. But the concept is the same.
    You don't need a megawatt demonstration behind the curtain.
    All you need is a small scale that continuously produces a LOT more
    power than
    you can get from any known combustion process of the same mass.
    It can be in a black box, but I gotta see all around it and measure
    what goes in and out. You don't need to know anything about what's
    going on inside the box.

    But what do we get??? A HUGE pile of pipes and tanks. A test that
    runs for a very short time with no oversight on the ins and outs.
    And the big elephant in the room...that boxcar sized generator running
    next to it.

    If you had a credible demo, you'd have to hire an army to keep away
    the investors with boxcars full of development cash.

    This is a GAME CHANGER. Whoever makes it work will make a bazillion
    dollars and possibly save the world. Statues will be erected.
    Yet, we still got nothin' but excuses and futures.

    I have this recurrent dream of the ghost of Stanley Meyers driving
    his water-powered car in the free-energy parade with Rossi ridin' shotgun.

    I hope it works.
    I expect something like this will eventually work.
    I wouldn't invest a dime in the current crop of people telling tall tales.

    This testing whether it works is not rocket science. Any idiot can
    do it. I'll supply the thermometer and the water. All you gotta
    do is show up with the demo.
    Convince me it works, and I'll break out that dime and 10e7 more of 'em.
     
  9. Jim Wilkins

    Jim Wilkins Guest

    You might consider exposing this project on rec.crafts.metalworking to
    gain the benefit of the participants' very considerable experience in
    metal fabrication and computerized industrial controls, and science
    and technology in general. Read it first, though, as r.c.m can be MUCH
    nastier than this group.

    jsw
     
  10. Jim Wilkins

    Jim Wilkins Guest

    You should see me bash neo-nazi myths of the secret technology that
    coulda/shoulda won them the war.

    Brilliant curmudgeons:
    http://www.tinaja.com/
    http://www.jerrypournelle.com/jerrypournelle.c/chaosmanor/
    And the creator of "The Big Bang Theory"
    http://www.chucklorre.com/

    jsw
    Still an amateur curmudgeon.
     
  11. j

    j Guest

    All of the comp.lang don't suffer fools. I would imagine that
    comp.lang.c would be the toughest. comp.lang.perl had an insult bot
    , so I can imagine what c was like!

    Jeff


    I'm not quite sure when it happened, but
     
  12. j

    j Guest

    As long as you have to put energy in COP is important. After a certain
    point it won't matter much.
    Wikipedia has hydrogen burning as 61,000 BTU/lb multiply that by 3
    million and you have an enormous amount of energy for even a tiny amount
    of hydrogen.

    It would seem that more hydrogen would be unneeded.

    I think the key is to keep the oxydizers out.

    I'm thinking the pressure is not key. From the outline posted at the top
    of this thread, it looks like a fusion vacuum tube. The heat is there
    for similar reasons that you have a heater in a tube's cathode.
    Alternatively it could be a strong magnetic field. The containment
    appears to be glass.
    Didn't bother me at all. Of course, I'm not Mike!

    I really don't think we can

    nd for what gain?

    Form what I can gather this is a heisenberg uncertain kind of thing. You
    have a normal pattern of probabilities and then you have the low
    percentage one that is at the edge that "fuses". The key is to ratchet
    up the low probability... so more rare fusions take place. I don't see
    this as a runaway event. It doesn't look like fission where it multiplies.

    Now adding pressure has it's own risk, but I don't think you will need
    as much as you expect.

    Jeff
     
  13. j

    j Guest

    :)

    That is very funny!!!!
     
  14. Jim Wilkins

    Jim Wilkins Guest

    Only if liquid water is present. The vapor acts about like any other
    gas.
    Calcium Chloride (sidewalk deicer) is an effective dessicant after you
    heat-dry it to constant weight. You can buy pressure-tight dessicant
    cannisters to screw into air hoses for spray painting.

    jsw
     
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