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Roy L. Fuchs

Jan 1, 1970
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Color is BETTER than on an equivalent
CRT.

You're full of shit.

They don't even have the video bandwidth to receive the same set of
colors, much less reproduce them.

My 19" Viewsonic has 185MHz video bandwidth, and there isn't an FPD
out there (short of the IBM I mentioned earlier) that can correctly
reproduce color as well.

You are totally LOST if you think for a second that FPDs have caught
up with CRTs as it relates to color accuracy, as well as fine pitch
array manufacture. CRTs are still king.
 
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Roy L. Fuchs

Jan 1, 1970
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My Samsung 32 LCD HDTV is the best picture and color I've seen and I
have seen the Pioneer Elite Plasma--neighbor has one.


Oh boy! The Pioneer must be a PRE HDMI model (apples and oranges)
and that STILL doesn't prove you know anything about displays. IN
fact, it points to you knowing even less.

I have a 37" dual mode Toshiba CRT that STILL beats out my Viewsonic
HDMI 32" on HDTV signals. Hands down.

An FPD has motion artifacts in fast moving scenes. A CRT NEVER has
ANY motion artifacts.

Since you likely do not even know what a motion artifact is, you
should back out of your pathetic argument now.
 
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Roy L. Fuchs

Jan 1, 1970
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CRT monitors especially give me eyestrain when
working and LCD doesn't.

That is due to your SHITTY graphics adapter, and likely a poor choice
of monitor as well.

You seem to be half assing everything, including this thread, and
certainly your grasp of display technology.

CRTs are still king.
 
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Roy L. Fuchs

Jan 1, 1970
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Which LCD monitor do you use?

Better color than a CRT? Color me skeptical.


Thank you. I am sure the truth hurts for the guy, but he cannot
change the physical facts.
 
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Roy L. Fuchs

Jan 1, 1970
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Oh dear, you were doing so well up to this point..
Actually, you were. Any IDIOT can tell that it was a case of mild
dyslexia. It is obvious to all but the most self constrained retards
(points finger). LEDs are not backlit.

Oh deer that in your pipe and choke on it.
 
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Roy L. Fuchs

Jan 1, 1970
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And the Bush worshippers say, "Dubya, Dubya, Dubya."

cheers!
Bobo


And the retards that go 'round calling folks "Bush worshippers" are
no more than a follow the flock sheep with blinders on that goes for
whatever his also wussified peers are going for that week.
 
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Roy L. Fuchs

Jan 1, 1970
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That makes sense. LCDs have separate light sources, primary color
filters and shutters. Each component can be optimized. Particularly the
primary color filters, being nothing more than fixed filters, don't have
to be a design compromise between light emitting, control and hue that
LEDs, phosphors, etc. do.


Try again. Illuminated pixels will always beat backlit filtered
subtractive color mixing schemas.

Why do you think there is even a move toward OLED to begin with,
boys?

Sheesh, get with the program!
 
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Alan Larson

Jan 1, 1970
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Oh boy! The Pioneer must be a PRE HDMI model (apples and oranges)
and that STILL doesn't prove you know anything about displays. IN
fact, it points to you knowing even less.

I have a 37" dual mode Toshiba CRT that STILL beats out my Viewsonic
HDMI 32" on HDTV signals. Hands down.

An FPD has motion artifacts in fast moving scenes. A CRT NEVER has
ANY motion artifacts.


Not true. SOME fixed pixel displays have motion problems in fast
moving scenes. Some fixed pixel displays do motion just as well as
a CRT.

Since you likely do not even know what a motion artifact is, you
should back out of your pathetic argument now.

Your rudeness in your last sequence of messages manages to exceed
the incorrectness of some of your claims.


While decades of work have gone into them, CRTs still have some
problems with image geometry, convergence, color purity, and color
gamut. Very expensive units can do fairly well with the first three
of these, but the gamut remains limited by available phosphors.


Alan
 
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Alan Larson

Jan 1, 1970
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Try again. Illuminated pixels will always beat backlit filtered
subtractive color mixing schemas.

Except, LCD displays are not really subtractive color systems. They
have filters to provide primaries, which are then ADDED by the limited
resolution of the human eye (just like the striped color CRTs).

If they were full subtractive color systems with three layers, they
could generate any color at any physical spot on the screen. This could
increase the color resolution.

However, as with the CRT, it doesn't matter, because the color resolution
of the human eye is substantially less than the luminance resolution, so the
effort for increasing color resolution would be essentially wasted.

Why do you think there is even a move toward OLED to begin with,
boys?

How about to have a display for portable devices (like cellphones)
that has lower power consumption than backlit displays. Such a device
would not need the high voltage source for the backlight, so would
save some manufacturing cost.


Alan
 
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Spehro Pefhany

Jan 1, 1970
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Did you get a chance to look at the BACK of the OLED panel?

Get back to me at that time.

Oh, and it is a glass frontispiece.

The panel (20 x 2 character) is two sheets of thin glass sandwiched
together with both an FPC connector and zebra connectors. Outwardly
very similar to equivalent LCD panels. Different materials and
processes, of course.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
 
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Spehro Pefhany

Jan 1, 1970
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Yeah right. An MP3 player/picture viewer with an array size
amounting to a few thousand pixels.

Small displays are where they shine, so to speak. Monochromatic
displays too.
Where are the large OLED FPDs at? Well...?

If they *never* appear that's just fine by me. They're great for the
stuff I design. Horses for courses.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
 
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Grant Edwards

Jan 1, 1970
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Except, LCD displays are not really subtractive color systems. They
have filters to provide primaries, which are then ADDED by the limited
resolution of the human eye (just like the striped color CRTs).

Aw, don't try to confuse the issue with facts.
 
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Don Stauffer

Jan 1, 1970
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Annika1980 said:
Which LCD monitor do you use?

Better color than a CRT? Color me skeptical.

There are several aspects of color. When folks argue merit of LCD vs
CRT, I think they should mention WHICH aspects of color they are
comparing. Gamut, saturation, stability of hue, etc.

Going off topic in strict sense, I see contrast ratios claimed for LCD
that I just do not believe. The accuracy of rotation would have to be
super precise, and the quality of the polarizer panel would have to be
nearly perfect. Color me sceptical on the claimed CRs. Also I assume
these figures are for center of screen, measured absolutely
perpendicular to screen.
 
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BC

Jan 1, 1970
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Roy L. Fuchs said:
Whoopie doo.

If your brainy (claim to be) ass knew what the color triangle looked
like, and where displays fall into place on them, you would KNOW that
an LCD display CANNOT reproduce the same spectrum as a CRT, OR an
OLED. Hell, they even have problems with grayscale production.

You need to bone up on monitors and displays, Chucko. I don't what
you have been calibrating with what instruments, it doesn't mean that
you know jack squat about display devices.

It is called a color wheel, not a "triangle"--at least it was when I got my
degree in color. White light is a full spectrum.

Pantone Calibration instrument.

People that are as defensive as you usually turn out to be dumbass morons.
You use insults and anger to hide your ignorance.

For my work I know this: CRT's aren't as sharp or detailed as LCD. I see
much more detail in my images on LCD. Color is calibratable to 5000K and my
screen matches my print output at the lab to a "T". What more do you want?

Also there is always this fasicnation with "vapor ware"--some exotic device
that humbles all other devices. So don't buy now--just wait a bit longer.
Trouble is there is always a new vaporware lurking in the shadows. Reminds
me of a guy I knew that was rebuilding his sports car to be really fast with
all this high tech equipment. It sat on blocks for years awaiting polished
ports and high lift cams. The car never made it to the pavement. In the
meantime we, with our humble stock sports cars enjoyed driving around summer
after summer.

Moral of the story is to buy something and watch programming. A tv is a
device to be used--not jewelry.
 
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BC

Jan 1, 1970
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Roy L. Fuchs said:
You're full of shit.

They don't even have the video bandwidth to receive the same set of
colors, much less reproduce them.

My 19" Viewsonic has 185MHz video bandwidth, and there isn't an FPD
out there (short of the IBM I mentioned earlier) that can correctly
reproduce color as well.

You are totally LOST if you think for a second that FPDs have caught
up with CRTs as it relates to color accuracy, as well as fine pitch
array manufacture. CRTs are still king.

As far as practical application--that I use--it is better. I compare my
Viewsonic 19" to my Trinitron CRT. My print match is better and both were
calibrated. The LCD is also sharper.
 
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BC

Jan 1, 1970
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Roy L. Fuchs said:
Oh boy! The Pioneer must be a PRE HDMI model (apples and oranges)
and that STILL doesn't prove you know anything about displays. IN
fact, it points to you knowing even less.

I have a 37" dual mode Toshiba CRT that STILL beats out my Viewsonic
HDMI 32" on HDTV signals. Hands down.

An FPD has motion artifacts in fast moving scenes. A CRT NEVER has
ANY motion artifacts.

Since you likely do not even know what a motion artifact is, you
should back out of your pathetic argument now.

I recently did a job for a very large well know tv brand name company. Out
of the nearly 100 tv models I saw in their display room I don't remember
seeing ONE CRT. Why? Ancient history that's why. There was LCD, Plasma,
LCOS and DLP. LCOS is about gone and Plasma will be history soon. The
industry is banking on LCD right now per my converstions with them.

Putting the same image on my trinitron and on the LCD, I will see more
detail in the LCD image. Practical facts. I don't care about scientific
measurment or some article someone read. I know what I see.

Oh and you are right about not knowing what a motion artifact is--on my LCD
I NEVER see them. I watch sports--never see them--action movies--never see
them. Depending on the broadcast I do see when crews aren't using HD
cameras or the really good HD cameras.
 
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