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Noise reduction: Inductor vs. Capacitor

Hi,

It is common to use a bypass capacitor connected in parallel from VCC
to GND to reduce noise on the power line. I have seen also inductors
connected in series to do the same thing. I have seen also both (cap &
inductor) being used at the same circuit to reduce noise on the power
line. In my opinion, the caps are smaller and more cheaper than
inductors, so why use an inductor?

Thanks for any replies,
JJ
 
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Homer J Simpson

Jan 1, 1970
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It is common to use a bypass capacitor connected in parallel from VCC
to GND to reduce noise on the power line. I have seen also inductors
connected in series to do the same thing. I have seen also both (cap &
inductor) being used at the same circuit to reduce noise on the power
line. In my opinion, the caps are smaller and more cheaper than
inductors, so why use an inductor?

You need a combination of both for best results. Capacitors are cheaper.
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi,

It is common to use a bypass capacitor connected in parallel from VCC
to GND to reduce noise on the power line. I have seen also inductors
connected in series to do the same thing. I have seen also both (cap &
inductor) being used at the same circuit to reduce noise on the power
line. In my opinion, the caps are smaller and more cheaper than
inductors, so why use an inductor?

There are things you can do with inductors that you can't just with caps alone !
They actually form a proper filter.

Graham
 
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Jan 1, 1970
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Hi,

It is common to use a bypass capacitor connected in parallel from VCC
to GND to reduce noise on the power line. I have seen also inductors
connected in series to do the same thing. I have seen also both (cap &
inductor) being used at the same circuit to reduce noise on the power
line. In my opinion, the caps are smaller and more cheaper than
inductors, so why use an inductor?

Thanks for any replies,
JJ

The two are used in concert and compliment each other.

The inductor has a high impedance to high frequency or fast rise time
spikes and prevent them from getting on the line - the caps give the
spikes a low impedance path to ground and a place to go . . .

When you use just a cap you're still using the inductance of the line
itself - sometimes it takes more inductance to take the noise out.
Some capacitor designs are poor choices due to internal inductance
created by the physical construction of the cap.

If you're using a capacitor with leads - the lead inductance to the
cap works against you since it has inductance and tends to keep the
spike from getting to the cap. - the reason for "spark plate" caps
(mica and copper on the outside of the chassis) no lead inductance -
likewise feed through caps.

A small ferrite bead or core, can make all the difference . . .
 
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John Popelish

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi,

It is common to use a bypass capacitor connected in parallel from VCC
to GND to reduce noise on the power line. I have seen also inductors
connected in series to do the same thing. I have seen also both (cap &
inductor) being used at the same circuit to reduce noise on the power
line. In my opinion, the caps are smaller and more cheaper than
inductors, so why use an inductor?

Keep in mind that the voltage across a capacitor has to
change, in order for it to deliver current to a load. In
the case of a bypass, this voltage can be reduced to an
arbitrarily low value by making the capacitor arbitrarily
large. But for any practical capacitor, the voltage never
gets all the way to zero change.

Let me give you an example of where a combination of
capacitor and inductor worked well. I have a magnetometer
that requires a fairly large pulse of current (80 mA peak)
to activate it, 65000 times a second. I want to phase lock
it to a crystal oscillator that runs on the same supply.
Any supply bounce caused by the magnetometer pulse tends to
influence the crystal oscillator, so that it is not an
independent frequency reference.

No matter how large a capacitor I tried as bypass at the
magnetometer, I still saw influences at the oscillator when
they got near the same frequency. Very large capacitors had
increasing series inductance that kept them from ideally
lowering the bounce at the edges of the pulse. But once I
got up to a 10 uF ceramic at the magnetometer, even if the
supply line was long and inductive the +5 supply, the
magnetometer had a stable enough supply to work fine. So I
picked that value of bypass but added a small inductor in
series with the +5 line to that bypass. There is a
measurable but harmless bounce at the magnetometer, but the
inductor isolates that small bounce from a separate bypass
capacitor at the crystal oscillator, so that it now operates
essentially independently from the magnetometer. In effect,
the inductor in the +5 line forces all the voltage noise
generated by the magnetometer pulse to occur on the +5 line
(gives that line elasticity), and the ground referenced
output has a clean ground line to be compared against (looks
more rigid by comparison), while the rest of the +5 system
is nice and quiet.
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi,

It is common to use a bypass capacitor connected in parallel from VCC
to GND to reduce noise on the power line. I have seen also inductors
connected in series to do the same thing. I have seen also both (cap &
inductor) being used at the same circuit to reduce noise on the power
line. In my opinion, the caps are smaller and more cheaper than
inductors, so why use an inductor?

The capacitors are to provide an instantaneous current to the chip itself
during its switching transients; the inductor keeps those transients out
of the rest of the system.

Circuit impedances play a part, but this is s.e.basics - you'll learn
about impedance next week. ;-)

Hope This Helps!
Rich
 
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PeteS

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi,

It is common to use a bypass capacitor connected in parallel from VCC
to GND to reduce noise on the power line. I have seen also inductors
connected in series to do the same thing. I have seen also both (cap &
inductor) being used at the same circuit to reduce noise on the power
line. In my opinion, the caps are smaller and more cheaper than
inductors, so why use an inductor?

Thanks for any replies,
JJ

In addition to the other responses, inductors (which may be ferrite
beads) are _often_ used where the load is (quasi) constant current, such
as ECL, CML and the like.

There are always current spikes when the transistors switch, which must
be suppressed to the power supply - and inductors are the perfect tool
for the job. The local caps provide the current and maintain the rail
voltage at the device, of course.

Cheers

PeteS
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Thank you veeery much for your inputs. I have decided to use a ferrite
bead instead of an inductor to isolate the digital VCC from the analog
VCC. Hope this works!

A ferrite bead has very little inductance.

Graham
 
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