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  1. Fire Tech

    Fire Tech Guest

    Good Afternoon:

    I'm interested in obtaining some information regarding Nicet Certification
    in the U.S. I'm posting from Vancouver, Canada and am primarily looking to
    review the training and experience requirements so I can compare them to
    what's available here through ASTTBC (
    I'd also be interested in having a look at the course curriculum for each
    level. If anyone can point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it.

    Thanks & regards,

  2. If you ask me NICET training is not worth the paper it is written on when i
    see all the slope out there being installed by NICET certified techs.

    how ever i bieleive the website is
  3. Crash Gordon

    Crash Gordon Guest

    Except if the AHJ requires plans be submitted by NICET person.

    | If you ask me NICET training is not worth the paper it is written on when
    | see all the slope out there being installed by NICET certified techs.
    | how ever i bieleive the website is
  4. Fire Tech

    Fire Tech Guest

    Sad to say, I'm finding the exact same thing here. I'm currently involved
    in a bit of "discussion" with ASTTBC over some "sloppy" work done by some of
    their technicians in a project I've been called in to assist on. Sort of
    makes you want to ''gnash your teeth", but I'm recovering from a root canal
    (done yesterday) which makes doing that a bit painful.

    Thanks for the link.


  5. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest

    Have you seen the CFAA site ( It's a bit on the
    "hokey" side, but it appears they have the "inside track" in a number of
    Provinces. I don't know if there's a "BC Chapter", but I imagine if you
    drop them an email (or give their toll free number a call), you could
    certainly find out.

    Frank Olson
  6. That's why I say "pick two". Pick two of the suggested requirements
    from NFPA 72. For example - a licensed electrician and NICET level II,
    or factory trained and certified and NICET level II or, etc.
  7. jewellfish

    jewellfish Guest

    I just completed testing for my lvl 2 NICET certification and I found
    the test modules very disappointing.

    The questions seemed, for the most part, to dwell on the arcain and
    trivial. It would be very possible to have a perfect score on all the
    modules and still not have a clue as to how to install a fire alarm

    I have had the good fortune of working with an "old timer" who
    understands the meaning of craftsmanship. He knows NFPA 72, which
    tells him what and where but not how. And, understands what you can't
    find in any wriiten code. Intergrity. Honor. NICET doens't test over
    that kind of material.
  8. Just curious, how would you improve NICET testing?
  9. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest

    Topless supervisors?? :)
  10. coord

    coord Guest

    That look like Tom perhaps?
  11. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest

    No actually. I was thinking more along the lines of Tiffany Fallon
    (2005 Playmate of the Year) or Laurie Wood (Miss March '89). Yowza!!

  12. You wish I was topless. Sorry pal I haven't flashed my tits since I
    found the Lord.
    I bet you didn't even know He was lost.
  13. mikey

    mikey Guest

    I remember that. Tom wasn't used to the alcohol content of the real beer up
    here yet and got a little carried away. The visual wasn't tooooo bad but
    when he jumped up on the stage and hip-checked the stripper into the salad
    bar, I got a little concerned. Off came the pants and then he started
    gyrating and singing, "I'm not white, I'M PINK" and I knew it was trouble...
    Good thing I have some buddies in Vice, it could have turned out much

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  14. hands on verified wiring and code skills.

    Any idiot can read a book and pass a test I have never seen a hands on test
    to prove what you know.
    have them wire up a small system to nec and nfpa standards.

    then you have a real test .

    I see this shit all the time when some one tels me he is a liscensed
    electricain etc, big deal my dog has a liscense
    show me what you got.
  15. This has been a contentious issue, nationwide. I agree with you and it
    seems that the best method is an apprenticeship program where 4 years
    of OJT is augmented with 4 years of classroom training. Unfortunately,
    states are the driving force here and they range from no requirements
    (ie. California) to a 4-year apprenticeship (ie. Oregon).

    One of the most eye-opening events in my life is when I ventured
    outside of Oregon, in my post-Navy life and found a wide range of
    requirements coast-to-coast. I had thought that all states required
    anyone working on an electrical system to be a licensed electrician.
    Au contrare mon frere!

    In my humble opinion, and at this point in time, NICET offers the best
    solution nationwide. Again I say, two qualifications should be the
    rule locally: licensed electrician and (pick one) NICET certification
    or factory trained and certified.
  16. That is the problem here in Pa any one can be a plumber,electricain builder,
    etc etc no lscense no training requirements etc just put up your shingle
    except for certain big cities and countys.

    I know electricains and fire alarm installers who have never had one of
    there installs ever inspected they just do what they feel like and the hell
    with everyone.
    and then you have ahj woh nerv inspect any thing just hand out occupancy
    Pa. is facing a major crisis even with ICC in place 80%
    of the state has chozen to ignore icc and nfpa.
  17. Nomen Nescio

    Nomen Nescio Guest

    Mike Baker said:
    That's the IBEW model, apprenticeship with work experience and classroom
    training. Unfortunately, the electricians figure that a week or two of
    fire alarm training means they're qualified to do fire. By the way, are
    electricians exempt from NICET certification requirements?

    I'm not sure you could build a curriculum of four years just on fire
    alarms, though, so your 4+4 plan might not be workable.

    NICET is supposed to have work experience requirements as part of the
    certification process. I gather you don't think this has been a success.

    - badenov
  18. I was trained on the dark side in merit shops where the same 4 + 4
    program is used as at IBEW. The journeyman winds up a well rounded
    electrician (pun intended) with additional training in fire alarm,
    cctv, access control, data/voice, amplified paging, FO, and so on.
    These "electives" are covered in the 2nd and 3rd year. Each elective is
    10 weeks long. By attending a couple of additional core-division
    classes, journeymen wind up with an associates degree in industrial

    I realize now that Oregon is the exception to the rule. The rule being
    technicians not necessarily having the training, nor required to.
    Because of state's autonomy, there is no straightforward solution to
    this, except maybe to use the bully pulpit :)
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