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Rui Maciel

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm looking into picking up electronics as a hobby. What advice can you spare?


Thanks in advance,
Rui Maciel
 
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Cydrome Leader

Jan 1, 1970
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Rui Maciel said:
I'm looking into picking up electronics as a hobby. What advice can you spare?


Thanks in advance,
Rui Maciel

start to tear things apart.
 
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1jam

Jan 1, 1970
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Cydrome said:
start to tear things apart.

good one. Also get a book on basic / beginner electronics and maybe check
out a magazine like Nuts & Volts.
 
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Rui Maciel

Jan 1, 1970
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1jam said:
good one. Also get a book on basic / beginner electronics and maybe check
out a magazine like Nuts & Volts.

What information should be covered in those basic/beginner electronics books? Regarding Nuts &
Volts, I would prefer to keep away from providers of subscription-only content. Are there any sites
that are worth following?


Rui Maciel
 
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Cydrome Leader

Jan 1, 1970
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Rui Maciel said:
Could you elaborate on that?


Rui Maciel

take things apart if they're not dangerous and aren't expensive. Look
inside, see the parts, touch them, read about them.

cheap junk electronics is a good source of parts too.

you can grab a cheap am radio, remove the cover and even just poke around
at the parts while it's on.

somebody mentioned an LED flasher. this is a fairly easy project, and a
good start. You can probably find LEDs just looking in the garbage for 3
seconds.

Reading books and stuff in the inernet is great, but cannot ever replace
actually using your hands and just playing with parts to see what happens,
or even just learning how to take things apart and to put them back
together again.
 
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Rui Maciel

Jan 1, 1970
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George said:
What kinds of stuff are you interested in. Computers and micro's?
Audio stuff, hacking existing products, blowing things up and making
big sparks, Ham radio, electric power, robots,????

My short term goal is to be able to make terribly simple stuff, such as LED flashlights and solar-
powered fans, but it would be great if I could go from there onto building simple peripherals that
could interface with personal computers.

Do yu have any gear or access to it? Gear is the stuff you use to do
electronics, oscilloscopes, signal generators, power supplies,
voltmeters, and all that.

No, I'm a bit empty-handed on this one. What gear do you suggest? I guess at least a multimeter is
in order.


Rui Maciel
 
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Rui Maciel

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
An LED flasher!

Oddly enough, building a LED flash light did crossed my mind. It looks simple enough and somewhat
problem-free.

What do you recommend I should read/purchase before I start this sort of project?


Rui Maciel
 
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John Doe

Jan 1, 1970
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What do you recommend I should read/purchase before I start this
sort of project?

As I recall, the first do-it-yourself references I used were
called "electronics handbooks" maybe from RadioShack. They were
small cheap paper pamphlet style books that diagrammed simple
circuits you can make with some basic integrated circuits (ICs).
Another source of circuits, again for building stuff, was National
Semiconductor's 1988 CMOS Logic Data Book (available on CD about
the time I stopped using it). I would bet that nowadays you can
find massive amounts of all levels of circuits on CDs. That is
what I would look for.

Also not long before I stopped enthusiastic electronics hobbying,
I made a Tonal Voltmeter that might be instructive if not useful
for electronics. If you can work your way up to that, I would make
one as soon as possible. It lets you listen to small voltage
output waveforms. It requires little more than a CD4046 IC. You
can find it on the Internet doing a search for "Tonal Voltmeter".
I sure wish they would include it on a voltmeter/multimeter, it
would be a simple addition. Then again, that would make little
difference to me now, my current interests are skating and gaming.
Electronics is powerful stuff, I still reminisce and get that
"force" feeling from time to time.

Whatever you eventually decide to do, good luck and have fun.
 
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John Doe

Jan 1, 1970
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I would bet that nowadays you can find massive amounts of all
levels of circuits on CDs. That is what I would look for.

On second thought, I would probably skip CDs and just find the example
circuits on the Internet.
 
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Jasen Betts

Jan 1, 1970
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What information should be covered in those basic/beginner electronics books?

The book should have some projects you can build, theory is important,
but it's good to have somthing you can kick too.
Regarding Nuts &
Volts, I would prefer to keep away from providers of subscription-only content.

Check out a few public libraries you may find one with a collection of
electronics hobby magazines.
Are there any sites that are worth following?

makezine and instructibles often have good stuff, although the quality
at instructibles is sometimes wanting.


There's some free lectures here too.
http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electric...e/6-002-circuits-and-electronics-spring-2007/




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JW

Jan 1, 1970
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you can grab a cheap am radio, remove the cover and even just poke around
at the parts while it's on.

Battery powered of course, if poking with your fingers!
 
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Bob Masta

Jan 1, 1970
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My short term goal is to be able to make terribly simple stuff, such as LED flashlights and solar-
powered fans, but it would be great if I could go from there onto building simple peripherals that
could interface with personal computers.

Just so you don't get any false hopes, note that since the
demise of DOS it has gotten *much* harder to build simple
peripherals. Used to be you could use the parallel printer
port for lots of neat interface tricks, from digital I/O to
simple A/D and D/A. But printer ports are all replaced by
USB these days, so a "simple" peripheral usually requires a
not-so-simple USB interface and driver software.

One thing that almost every computer has, however, is a
sound card. This is not only something you can use to
generate and analyze audio-range signals (see sig), but it
can also be a way to interface certain devices to the
computer. You have to deal with the fact that sound cards
don't respond to DC, nor to really high frequencies, but
that still leaves a lot of room for useful projects.

As one simple example, you can use the sound card to measure
frequency, so if you have some sensor (temperature,
pressure, etc) that only responds to DC, you can build a
simple voltage-to-frequency converter and use the sound card
to measure the resulting frequency.
No, I'm a bit empty-handed on this one. What gear do you suggest? I guess at least a multimeter is
in order.

You absolutely need a DMM, but you can start out with a real
cheapie. Harbor Freight has nifty little units that are
often on sale for a couple of bucks... including battery!
The drawback over a pro-level meter is that they don't have
low AC Volts ranges (but they do have low DC Volts). So,
use this as an excuse to build a little precision recifier
and filter circuit, so you can read AC on the DC range.

You can use the sound card to measure low AC volts,
including true RMS (which cheap DMMs don't do), but you'll
have to calibrate the inputs if you want absolute results...
there is no way to get calibration data from the sound card
driver, etc. But you can do a lot of useful things with
only relative measurements, which don't require any
calibration. (For example, distortion is a relative
measurement.)

But back to simple circuits: I always enjoyed
sound-generating circuits. They can be as simple or complex
as your abilities, and it's great fun to hear the results.
The sound card can help you visualize the results, since it
was designed for just this audio range.

It wouldn't hurt to have a "real" hardware scope as well,
but you can save that expense for later, when you really
need high-frequency or DC capabilities.

I use a 100 MHz hardware scope for general-purpose stuff,
and the sound card (and software) for audio stuff. The
"real" scope is an old analog model, so it doesn't have the
fancy spectrum analysis features that you can get on
high-end digital scopes. But (for me, anyway) I can do all
that with the sound card, plus lots more (like color
spectrograms) that the digital scopes don't do.

Best regards,


Bob Masta

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Cydrome Leader

Jan 1, 1970
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JW said:
Battery powered of course, if poking with your fingers!

haha, yes.

So what does mains shock feel like in places with 240?
 
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Sjouke Burry

Jan 1, 1970
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Cydrome said:
haha, yes.

So what does mains shock feel like in places with 240?

It makes you see stars, and makes your muscles contract violently.
And there might be a small burn mark.
Having good quality plastic soles under your shoes makes single contact
oke. Dont use leather soles.
My limit fo far is 2X500 volt from a falling radio I tried to catch.....
We both survived.
Automatic reflexes are so dangerous when you work with electricity.
 
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