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wg bradley

Jan 1, 1970
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Just bought a Sanyo 32" flatscreen yesterday ... TV seems to be
looking and working good. Seemed like a good value at the time.

Only problem is when I first turn it on it makes this fairly loud
**SPROING** sound like someone was twanging a spring. For some reason
it only seems to happen on a cold start...if I do multiple power ons
in succession it only happens the first time. I was hoping it would go
away but its still doing it.

Anyone know what this is and if it can be easily fixed? It's kind of
annoying.

Thanks.
 
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LASERandDVDfan

Jan 1, 1970
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Just bought a Sanyo 32" flatscreen yesterday ... TV seems to be
looking and working good. Seemed like a good value at the time.

Only problem is when I first turn it on it makes this fairly loud
**SPROING** sound like someone was twanging a spring.
For some reason
it only seems to happen on a cold start...if I do multiple power ons
in succession it only happens the first time. I was hoping it would go
away but its still doing it.

This is normal and should not be any cause for alarm. The noise is coming from
the degaussing circuit, which is designed to help keep the picture tube
demagnetized in order to maintain scan purity. A lot of televisions and
computer monitors can make this "whaaoom" or "wrrooiing" noise when the
degaussing circuit is triggered, especially when the set has not been used for
a few minutes or more.

As the old saying goes, "you'll get used to it." - Reinhart
 
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Tom Del Rosso

Jan 1, 1970
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In LASERandDVDfan typed:
This is normal and should not be any cause for alarm. The noise is
coming from the degaussing circuit, which is designed to help keep

He said flat screen.
 
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Tom Del Rosso

Jan 1, 1970
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In LASERandDVDfan typed:
This is normal and should not be any cause for alarm. The noise is
coming from the degaussing circuit, which is designed to help keep

He said flat screen. I don't know what type that would be, but do they
need degaussing?
 
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David

Jan 1, 1970
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What difference does the shape of the face of the picture tube make?
David
 
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Tom Del Rosso

Jan 1, 1970
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In David typed:
What difference does the shape of the face of the picture tube make?

Sorry, I thought it wasn't a picture tube at all. What technology do
they currently use for that size? Just tubes? I suppose projection
would need a degaussing circuit too. How big have LCDs gotten so far?
Is plasma dead?
 
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Sofie

Jan 1, 1970
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Tom Del Rosso:
Flat screen, round screen, square screen, convex screen..... if they are
all CRTs, then YES, the television would incorporate a degaussing
circuit...... and the stronger the degaussing circuit, the more noise it
will make.
 
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BWL

Jan 1, 1970
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I fixed a Magnavox with a really noisey degaussing relay once; made a really
loud SPROING when cold. Changing the relay fixed it.
 
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wg bradley

Jan 1, 1970
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BWL said:
I fixed a Magnavox with a really noisey degaussing relay once; made a really
loud SPROING when cold. Changing the relay fixed it.


Thanks for the help everyone...I really appreciate it. If its just an
abnormally noisy relay I guess I'll just live with it. This thing is
too heavy to take back :)
 
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Daniel L. Belton

Jan 1, 1970
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Tom said:
In LASERandDVDfan typed:



He said flat screen.

Flat screen TV's still use a picture tube, unless they are the LCD
display's (which the Sanyo's aren't). The flat screen picture tubes
still use the degauss circuit.
 
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Daniel L. Belton

Jan 1, 1970
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Tom said:
In David typed:



Sorry, I thought it wasn't a picture tube at all. What technology do
they currently use for that size? Just tubes? I suppose projection
would need a degaussing circuit too. How big have LCDs gotten so far?
Is plasma dead?

Plasma TV's aren't dead, but the price is so high, I don't see them
staying too long. The technology has been around a few years now, and
the price should have dropped some, but it hasn't.

Most of the TV's that size (I believe the OP said 32") still use tubes,
however I have seen some projection models.

I'm not sure about what size the LCD's have gotten to currently. I
guess they could be made as large as they want to using the current
technology, but would the benefits outweigh the cost at this point?
 
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James Sweet

Jan 1, 1970
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Daniel L. Belton said:
Plasma TV's aren't dead, but the price is so high, I don't see them
staying too long. The technology has been around a few years now, and
the price should have dropped some, but it hasn't.

Most of the TV's that size (I believe the OP said 32") still use tubes,
however I have seen some projection models.

I'm not sure about what size the LCD's have gotten to currently. I
guess they could be made as large as they want to using the current
technology, but would the benefits outweigh the cost at this point?



The larger the LCD panel, the more likely a manufacturing defect, so the
production yield is lower.

No mainstream projection technology uses a degaussing coil, only the 3 gun
direct view color CRT as it's the only one to use a shadow mask.
 
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LASERandDVDfan

Jan 1, 1970
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He said flat screen.
You are aware that there are flat screen picture tubes, yes?

I don't believe Sanyo has a plasma or an LCD display out yet. - Reinhart
 
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LASERandDVDfan

Jan 1, 1970
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Thanks for the help everyone...I really appreciate it. If its just an
abnormally noisy relay I guess I'll just live with it. This thing is
too heavy to take back :)

The noise won't come from the relay, it comes from the circuit. The only noise
a relay will make is a "click," not a "sproing."

The poster that claimed he fixed the noise problem by changing the relay
probably installed a relay that doesn't work for one reason or another and,
therefore, isn't engaging the degaussing circuit at all. - Reinhart
 
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LASERandDVDfan

Jan 1, 1970
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I suppose projection
would need a degaussing circuit too.

Maybe, but I can't see how. Projection CRT displays typically use three
powerful picture tubes with lenses attached to them, one for each primary color
of light (RED, GREEN, BLUE), and are converged mechanically to form the color
image on the projection screen. Purity problems due to stray magnetic fields
may not be an issue in this case.

It's an issue for a regular tube TVs, though, because you have three beams
inside one tube that are converged electromagnetically by the deflection yoke
to form the image on the screen. Stray fields can cause the beams to be
deflected in the wrong way, causing purity problems.

However, projection LCD displays don't need degaussing circuits. Totally
different principle which doesn't involve an electromagnetic deflection yoke.

As for plasma displays, I don't see how they will ever get off the ground
further than they are at right now. They are still prohibitively expensive and
seems to have reliability problems. Sets may not last more than two to three
years, or at least from what I've understood from a retailer that sells them
and have had customer complaints. I've seen some LCD projection displays from
Sony and Hitachi that have had superior performance to Pioneer plasma displays
for a fraction of the price. One of the things you would have to worry about,
though, is eventually replacing the projection lamp.

But, despite the advances in display technologies, I don't see picture tube
sets going away anytime soon as the technology is not only very simple with
excellent performance, but very cost-effective as well. It's a proven
technology with an understandably large following. And, you have a shadow mask
or an aperture grille. I prefer aperture grille, or more precisely, Sony
Trinitron. - Reinhart
 
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BWL

Jan 1, 1970
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Sorry Reinhart, it WAS the relay making the noise; as a Philips Factory field
repair agent, with 20 years TV repair experience, I think I know the difference
between a working and non-working deg relay...
 
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Sofie

Jan 1, 1970
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BWL:
Go easy on Reinhart.....It very well may have been a defective degauss relay
in your specific case BUT the vast majority of the time it would NOT be the
relay that made the "weird sound" described by the original poster. In
fact, in all the years I have been in this business.... (double of what you
stated)..... I can never recall a defective relay causing that kind of
sound.... but certainly I will not argue with your personal experience.....
of course you "know the difference between a working and a non working deg
relay"..... no argument from me.
 
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Jeff Strieble

Jan 1, 1970
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Maybe, but I can't see how. Projection CRT displays typically use three
powerful picture tubes with lenses attached to them, one for each primary color
of light (RED, GREEN, BLUE), and are converged mechanically to form the color
image on the projection screen. Purity problems due to stray magnetic fields
may not be an issue in this case.

It's an issue for a regular tube TVs, though, because you have three beams
inside one tube that are converged electromagnetically by the deflection yoke
to form the image on the screen. Stray fields can cause the beams to be
deflected in the wrong way, causing purity problems.

However, projection LCD displays don't need degaussing circuits. Totally
different principle which doesn't involve an electromagnetic deflection yoke.

As for plasma displays, I don't see how they will ever get off the ground
further than they are at right now. They are still prohibitively expensive and
seems to have reliability problems. Sets may not last more than two to three
years, or at least from what I've understood from a retailer that sells them
and have had customer complaints. I've seen some LCD projection displays from
Sony and Hitachi that have had superior performance to Pioneer plasma displays
for a fraction of the price. One of the things you would have to worry about,
though, is eventually replacing the projection lamp.

But, despite the advances in display technologies, I don't see picture tube
sets going away anytime soon as the technology is not only very simple with
excellent performance, but very cost-effective as well. It's a proven
technology with an understandably large following. And, you have a shadow mask
or an aperture grille. I prefer aperture grille, or more precisely, Sony
Trinitron. - Reinhart



I have an RCA XL-100 19" CRT TV which I purchased new in 1999.
Great picture on the cable system in my area. I'm staying with CRT
sets as long as they are available, for just the reason the last
poster mentioned--my set has a very good picture, rich, true-to-life
colors, in short, nearly as good as a good photograph or a picture
postcard, not to mention the reliability of the delta-gun and inline
shadow-mask CRTs, which have been around for years (inlines were
introduced some time after delta-gun tubes, of course; I think Sony's
Trinitron was the first inline tube--Sharp followed shortly thereafter
with its Linytron system).

Speaking of in-line CRTs, I wonder. Are they now the industry standard
for this venerable technology (cathode ray tubes), or are some very
inexpensive color sets (Japanese/Korean small-screen off-brands, etc.)
still using delta-gun CRTs? Just curious.

I am sold on RCA TVs, their OB tuner problems notwithstanding. (Mine
had a problem with the tuner shortly after I bought the set, but after
that was resolved [the technician completely resoldered the ground
points after completing the repair], the set has been trouble-free.
It's been over two years since the repair, and I've had no problems
whatsoever with the set since.)

However, I have done some research (mostly on manufacturers' web
sites and forums such as this one) on the LCD vs. plasma issue and
have learned that plasmas have at least one very serious drawback
(image burn-in), which may also be why this type of widecreen TV isn't
too popular yet. I think the manufacturers of plasma sets should
(indeed must) address this problem, and soon. It just now occurred to
me that makers of plasma TVs do not use the same kind of raster
blanking system as has been and is being used on computer monitors
(power management). I don't think it would add that much to the cost
of the set. The blanking circuit could be arranged so that it would
trigger after a certain length of time during which a static image
(test pattern, network logo, etc.) is on the screen, but not during
normal viewing. The blanking circuit could also be set up so that, if
the set were used as a computer monitor, etc. the power-management
system would blank the screen after a period of inactivity. A button
or switch at the set and/or on the remote could be used to restore the
picture manually (or disable the PM circuit altogether) if desired.

One other problem LCD panels and plasmas have that CRT sets do not
is that there is a projection lamp behind the screen which will
eventually burn out and need replacement. Of course, the same problem
exists with CRTs, which also have filaments that eventually open. The
difference is that CRTs often go for many years before the filaments
burn out (most CRTs I've seen go bad from severely decreased cathode
emission, and this ordinarily happens long before the filaments go
bad); with projection lamps used in plasma and LCD panel systems,
however, the life expectancy of the lamps is probably much shorter
because of the brightness of the lamp. For example, I remember
reading on RCA's web site recently that the projection lamp used in
their Scenium TVs is rated for only about 15,000 hours. I would not
expect the lamps in these sets to last even that long if the set is
used many hours a day, of course. Again, CRT sets have the same
problem, if you will--the more the set is used, the weaker the
emission of the tube's three electron guns becomes.

I realize that to incorporate such systems (power management) in
already expensive (prohibitively so as it is, as has already been
mentioned) plasma TVs would make the set even more expensive (and who
needs that?). However, the foregoing are simply some thoughts I had on
the subject--my two cents' worth, if you will.

Thanks for reading.
Kind regards,


Jeff Strieble, WB8NHV (mailto: [email protected])
Fairport, Ohio
 
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