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New Panasonic VCR degrade when you copy a DVD??

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Allan

Jan 1, 1970
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Has any one else heard anything about the newer Panasonic VCR's eg NVHV60
have been desigined to degrade when attempting to record a from a DVD, even
with the macrovision has been removed.
Our Customer says he now gets a grainy picture and the quality is degraded?

Claims he rang Panasonic and they told him thats what they do now?

I do not know how the VCR would know its recording a DVD signal or a Off Air
signal?

Any Ideas?

If its true, I rekon he should return the Unit as it would be Faulty, like
if he wants to record from his own DVD's that he has recorded he wont be
able too...
Allan
 
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John Tserkezis

Jan 1, 1970
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Allan said:
Has any one else heard anything about the newer Panasonic VCR's eg NVHV60
have been desigined to degrade when attempting to record a from a DVD, even
with the macrovision has been removed.
Our Customer says he now gets a grainy picture and the quality is degraded?

I don't buy it. If it specifically has been designed to regcognise
copy-protected material, it will completly (or as much as it can) disable the
picture and/or audio.
Claims he rang Panasonic and they told him thats what they do now?

There's no law against lying. I've seen warning messages on video tapes that
claim it damages your equipment if you attempt to copy it.
I do not know how the VCR would know its recording a DVD signal or a Off Air
signal?

Easy, it doesn't know. Aside from CGMS or Macrovision, there is no other
copy-protection tell-tale signs the signal has come from a DVD player at all.
If its true, I rekon he should return the Unit as it would be Faulty, like
if he wants to record from his own DVD's that he has recorded he wont be
able too...

I'd be looking at interference or some such. It might not be his specific
DVD player that's doing it, rather than any of that make and model. Perhaps
another DVD player might not do it?

Without further investigation, it's hard to tell. You haven't specified any
more details, we don't know if he's trying to link the video with a wet piece
of string...
 
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Rod Speed

Jan 1, 1970
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Has any one else heard anything about the newer Panasonic VCR's
eg NVHV60 have been desigined to degrade when attempting to
record a from a DVD, even with the macrovision has been removed.
Our Customer says he now gets a grainy picture and the quality is degraded?
Claims he rang Panasonic and they told him thats what they do now?
I do not know how the VCR would know its
recording a DVD signal or a Off Air signal?
Any Ideas?
If its true, I rekon he should return the Unit as it would be Faulty,

Technically it would fail the fitness for purpose test under the trade practices act.
like if he wants to record from his own DVD's that
he has recorded he wont be able too...

He'd certainly be able monster Panasonic on a full
refund on that basis, tho he may have to escalate
that to management who will understand the basics
of the consumer law, even if the front monkeys dont.
 
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Rod Speed

Jan 1, 1970
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John Tserkezis said:
Allan wrote
I don't buy it. If it specifically has been designed to
regcognise copy-protected material, it will completly
(or as much as it can) disable the picture and/or audio.

Maybe. Or maybe Panasonic decided to do it that way to
minimise the number returned by customers as being faulty.

Plenty of mug punters wouldnt notice the quality degradation
but even the stupidest would notice no picture or sound.
There's no law against lying.

There is actually. Misleading and deceptive
conduct under the trade practices act.
I've seen warning messages on video tapes that claim
it damages your equipment if you attempt to copy it.

And that basically flouts the TPA.
Easy, it doesn't know.

Thats bullshit. There are obvious differences and
the VCR could be designed to detect those on that.
Aside from CGMS or Macrovision, there is no other copy-protection
tell-tale signs the signal has come from a DVD player at all.

Bullshit. There may not be explicitly designed in
differences but the two signals are measurably different.
I'd be looking at interference or some such.

I'd be considering what Panasonic has said is designed in.

Its unlikely that an operation like Panasonic are deliberately lying on that.
It might not be his specific DVD player that's doing it, rather than any
of that make and model. Perhaps another DVD player might not do it?

That wouldnt prove that the VCR isnt designed to do that.
Without further investigation, it's hard to tell.

Yes, but that statement by Panasonic is significant.
You haven't specified any more details, we don't know
if he's trying to link the video with a wet piece of string...

It wouldnt normally produce those specific symptoms even if he was.
 
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