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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi Russell,

Sorry for the ill manners of a few folks in the
security newsgroup. You can replace the
keypad if you like. Nick's advice concerning
the procedure is correct.

Adding wireless sensors, keyfobs, etc., is
another thing. To do that you need access
to programming. ADT won't give you the
code even if you own the system. Unless
you get someone to default the system for
you the only alternative is to replace the
board.

Board replacement on a Vista-20P is fairly
simple. You need to label the wires before
removing them. Make notes about what is
in each zone before you start. That will
make setting up the replacement panel
easier.

Once you have a board (existing or
replacement) that you can access you can
make any changes you like.

Contact me if you need help.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert said:
Hi Russell,

Sorry for the ill manners of a few folks in the
security newsgroup. You can replace the
keypad if you like. Nick's advice concerning
the procedure is correct.

Adding wireless sensors, keyfobs, etc., is
another thing. To do that you need access
to programming. ADT won't give you the
code even if you own the system. Unless
you get someone to default the system for
you the only alternative is to replace the
board.

Board replacement on a Vista-20P is fairly
simple. You need to label the wires before
removing them. Make notes about what is
in each zone before you start. That will
make setting up the replacement panel
easier.

Once you have a board (existing or
replacement) that you can access you can
make any changes you like.

Contact me if you need help.


Ummm.... Robert... The guy probably has several wireless devices
installed as well. If he installs a new board, he's going to have to
enroll each one (again). It's not as "simple" as you make it out to be.
This is an ADT system. We obviously don't have all the facts
concerning the OP's system and by now he's long gone anyway.
 
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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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I don't think they'd even service a local anyway.


| methinks somebody is pulling somebody else leg when 'fool' says ADT will
| install a wireless xmitter for $70 on a system they don't monitor.
|
| | > Only 70 bucks for a wireless xmtr? Sheesh that's ridiculously cheap. I
| > charge 70 for the xmtr and then l hr labor to install (includes travel
| > time)
| >
| >
| > | > | Thanks, Nick. After reading the programmers guide that's what I
| > | figured. I think my key fob presents another hurdle.
| > |
| > | Seems like a lot of people who work in the security industry read this
| > | board, eh? :)
| > |
| > | For the record, I do think $70 for a single wireless sensor is too
| > | much. I would prefer it if the security companies would make the
| > | devices easier to use and then simply sell extras online. For
| > | example, I can buy a pack of wireless sensors on eBay (10 for $200)...
| > | that's $20 each folks. Then I could add them myself. ADT makes $200,
| > | and my inner control freak is happy. :) If people can put a
| > | wireless LinkSys router in their home, they can stick a sensor on a
| > | window and add its address to the panel.
| > |
| > | Just seems to me that most of what makes doing this stuff yourself
| > | comes from security thru obscurity... and it does not have to be that
| > | way... unless of course, you install alarm systems for a living...
| > | which is fine. I prefer to do it myself.
| > |
| > | Thanks again, Nick.
| > |
| > |
| > | On Jan 29, 8:36 pm, "nick markowitz" <[email protected]>
| > | wrote:
| > | > You could replace the fixed keypad with a 6160 but the adress has to
| > be
| > the
| > | > same usually 16 on 20 p you need to hit 3and 1 together to get the
| > number
| > | > and adress the 6160 to that number and it should work fine make sure
| > wires
| > | > are hoked up properly and make sure your not violating the system
| > warranty
| > | > adt gave you.
| > | >
| > message| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > >I have an ADT system installed. I believe it's really an Vista 20P
| > | > > system rebranded by ADT. I am currently using the safewatch pro
| > 3000
| > | > > keypad... it's fixed english. Works fine but...
| > | >
| > | > > I would like to do things like review the log and maybe program a
| > few
| > | > > new devices (or zones or monitors or "enrolled" devices or
whatever
| > | > > the heck you call them). Is it possible for me to buy a 6160 pad
| > | > > online and install it without having to program the system? I
mean,
| > | > > can I just swap pads by connecting the wires or is there "install
| > | > > code" work to be done (i.e. the pad is a type of enrolled device
| > that
| > | > > must somehow register with the control panel)?
| > | >
| > | > > I'm open to ADT doing the work... but you sure pay a premium to
have
| > | > > them do anything. I mean, $70 just to add a new window sensor?
The
| > | > > 6160 costs about $100 bucks online... so I suspect ADT would
charge
| > me
| > | > > about $300!!!!
| > | >
| > | > > Thanks for any help.- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -
| > |
| >
| >
|
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Fenwayfool sounds like someone from Boston. We have a
park/garden/pond/stream area in the Back Bay area of Boston called the
Fenway. Some call it the Fens. A Central Park if you will, but on a
much smaller scale. Nice place for a stroll to watch the
ducks/geese/squirrels/flowers in the summer.

From home plate at Fenway Park, of Boston Red Sox fame, one could hit
a baseball over the wall and it would almost land in the Fens.

We install, monitor, service, and provide an all-inclusive "Monitoring
and Service" policy for all systems that we install. Customer owns
the system. Parts and labor to repair and service our systems, all
residential, are at no additional cost to the customer when they have
a problem with their system -- as long as they remain connected to our
CS -- and of course continue to pay our semannual invoices.

Our contract states that the system is not to be serviced by any
person other than our employees; that if it is serviced by anyone
else, it is our option to terminate the agreement.

The danger of other persons adding to the system or otherwise making
adjustments, moving contacts, keypads, etc. is the liability that it
presents to us. The last thing I need is a system that malfunctions
at a time when it is really needed - because some Fenwayfool knowitall
became his own expert technician.

In forty-four years we have never been sued.

Knock on wood.

The statements made by Fenwayfool reflect his choice of moniker.

Charles
 
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Coal Miner

Jan 1, 1970
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We install, monitor, service, and provide an all-inclusive "Monitoring
and Service" policy for all systems that we install. Customer owns
the system. Parts and labor to repair and service our systems, all
residential, are at no additional cost to the customer when they have
a problem with their system -- as long as they remain connected to our
CS -- and of course continue to pay our semannual invoices.


That's great Chuck, but what would you charge a current customer to
add a window contact? My bet is more than or equal to $70, which is
completely reasonable.

The dork in question thought he is entitled to free upgrades. -Hell-
according to him; ADT should wire every window and door, put motions
and GB's in every room, lay down pressure mats on every square foot
(does anyone use them anymore?), give a keypad for every entrance and
MBR, and of course add a cell backup.... for free.

ADT and Brinks have ruined the consumer's perceived value vs. cost of
security, and to top it off there are online parts-pushers that
reinforce that lie. In a way that's good... It allows the installing
dealer to weed out ^potential^ problem customers.
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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And ADT will have no clue how well
you install the sensors leading to lots
of liability issues and false alarms

Bullfrank! In all probability he'll do as
good a job or better than the local
ADT "authorized dealer" anyway.
Besides, the "liability" nonsense is
another red herring. Paid alarm
installers don't want DIYers doing this
stuff because it takes away from their
potential income.

Exactly. It's not exactly rocket science.
Just be sure to test the sensor periodically
to make certain it's OK.
And you are the kind of person who I
DON'T want screwing the a security
system

Fortunately, the system is his property
so he doesn't need your consent.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Ummm.... Robert... The guy probably
has several wireless devices installed
as well. If he installs a new board,
he's going to have to enroll each one
(again)...

Piece of cake.
It's not as "simple" as you make it out
to be.

I've sold thousands of Honeywell (nee Ademco) systems to DIYers. About half of them employ some wireless and maybe 10% (wild guess)
use only wireless sensors. Not one has ever had a hard time enrolling them. After all, the system was designed so that alarm
installers can do it. [reminds me of the Geico ad with the caveman in the airport].
This is an ADT system. We obviously
don't have all the facts concerning the
OP's system and by now he's long gone
anyway.

If it's a modified Honeywell product he can replace the panel. The sensors are the same. If it's a standard Honeywell panel the
same applies. The only issue is whether he can get the code defaulted since ADT is about as likely to give him access as you are to
admit you lied. I don't know if Jim Rojas or Bob Campbell can default that model. If so, he's in luck. Otherwise, replacing the
panel AND a keypad only costs a little more than a new 6160 keypad alone.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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From home plate at Fenway Park,
of Boston Red Sox fame, one could hit
a baseball over the wall and it would
almost land in the Fens.

The one and only time I went to Fenway
Park for a Sox game a guy named Wade
Bogs (or something like that) did just that.
He put one out of the park. I was just
arriving, having gotten stuck in traffic on
the Pike. The moment we sat down there
was a pitch, the distinctive thwack of
wood on ball and the crowd went totally
wild. When I saw the monicker, "Fenwayfool"
I knew immediately he was a Sox fan.

I've never much cared who won but it was
truly exciting to see (on TV this time) Boston
finally beat the Yank's a few years ago. I
hope they don't need another 80+ years
to do it again.
We install, monitor, service, and provide
an all-inclusive "Monitoring and Service"
policy for all systems that we install.

Sounds like Bob Campbell. Be careful
telling people about that though. Jiminex
is likely to start cursing at you and then
he'll.... he'll... ummm, curse at you some
more.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
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Coal Miner

Jan 1, 1970
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The only issue is whether he can get the code defaulted since ADT is about as likely to give him access as you are to
admit you lied.


Takeovers of these panels are trivial. Just about every installer
from any company knows ADT installer codes. Why don't you post ADT
codes like you did the Honeywell passwords?

You are hardly in a position to accuse someone of lying.
 
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pulic emeny

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert L Bass said:
Sounds like Bob Campbell. Be careful
telling people about that though. Jiminex
is likely to start cursing at you and then
he'll.... he'll... ummm, curse at you some
more.

I bet he charges more than $15 / mo for his all inclusive service. So again
you are TRYING to make a point by comparing apples to oranges. tsk tsk
 
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Doug

Jan 1, 1970
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I doubt that anyone, other than yourself is concerned with loss of income.
either to DIYer's or to professional installers, there will always be people
who want to DIY, likewise there will always be people who prefer to pay
someone else to do it, your business must be in dire straits as it seems the
only way you can drum up business is to constantly deride the alarm
industry, you sound so desperate sometimes, its quite sad really.

Doug
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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pulic said:
I bet he charges more than $15 / mo for his all inclusive service. So again
you are TRYING to make a point by comparing apples to oranges. tsk tsk


More like coconuts to guavas.
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Doug said:
I doubt that anyone, other than yourself is concerned with loss of income.
either to DIYer's or to professional installers, there will always be people
who want to DIY, likewise there will always be people who prefer to pay
someone else to do it, your business must be in dire straits as it seems the
only way you can drum up business is to constantly deride the alarm
industry, you sound so desperate sometimes, its quite sad really.

Doug


He's a "two faced anything for a buck shill".
 
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Jim

Jan 1, 1970
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Basshit! Paid installers are the only people who are authorized to work on
equipment owned and/or monitored by the installing company. Anyone who
thinks differently are either stupid or trying to sell equipment



And since it appears to be monitored he does require the consent of ADT

I beg to differ.

I think the appropriate use of the word should be Bullbass.
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Why don't you post ADT codes...

There is no standard ADT code. Every so-called "authorized dealer" chooses his own code.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Paid installers are the only people
who are authorized to work on
equipment owned and/or monitored
by the installing company...

Authorized by whom? Don't be ridiculous.
Fortunately, the system is his property
so he doesn't need your consent.
And since it appears to be monitored
he does require the consent of ADT

Is this the fellow who said it is not
monitored?

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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I have a page full of ADT codes. I
just pull the gear out anyway. I
offer it back to ADT but they don't
even want it most of the time.

We used to put their hardware in a box
and tell the client to call ADT to come
pick it up. AFAIK, they never did.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert L Bass vomited:
... The only issue is whether he can get the code defaulted since ADT is
about as likely to give him access as you are to
admit you lied.


You're some piece of work, Bass. For someone that's spent ten years in
Usenet spewing lies to call another person "a liar" has got to be one of
the dumbest things that you continue to spew. The day *you* admit to
all the lies you've posted will never come. Consequently, the day
anyone (that's been a target of your maliciousness) will forgive you,
will also, never come. That's a great pity. The chains you've forged
over the years must be miles long by now. The time to reflect on that
simple fact is fleeting, Ebeneezer.

I'd like to know how I've "hurt you" (or anyone here) by relating some
of my past experiences. I'd like to know how asking you to prove the
things you say about me "lying" hurts you. Is it the mere fact that
asking for such proof serves to highlight another one of *your lies*?
Is pointing out your lies and misleading comments to be construed as a
personal attack? Or is it that you've "lied" when you say you "don't
hate anyone"? It appears that certain individuals are "immune". Bob La
Londe pointed out the lie about the "Attention Burglar - Go ahead make
my day" story you posted here. Okay, so he was a lot more "polite"
about it than many of your other detractors would have been. So anyone
else in that "club" you refer to as the "IB" calling you what you are (a
lying sack of shit) engenders a response that often includes more
outlandish claims and lies. I mean, look at the response to FIRTEK that
referred to the "vice squad". The next thing you'll you post will be
making more vague references to Jake Ashbury's grand-daughter. You're
seriously sick, Bass. Five years of college (which included some
classes in psychology) hasn't helped you to identify your own problems.
 
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