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  1. fenwayfool

    fenwayfool Guest

    I have an ADT system installed. I believe it's really an Vista 20P
    system rebranded by ADT. I am currently using the safewatch pro 3000
    keypad... it's fixed english. Works fine but...

    I would like to do things like review the log and maybe program a few
    new devices (or zones or monitors or "enrolled" devices or whatever
    the heck you call them). Is it possible for me to buy a 6160 pad
    online and install it without having to program the system? I mean,
    can I just swap pads by connecting the wires or is there "install
    code" work to be done (i.e. the pad is a type of enrolled device that
    must somehow register with the control panel)?

    I'm open to ADT doing the work... but you sure pay a premium to have
    them do anything. I mean, $70 just to add a new window sensor? The
    6160 costs about $100 bucks online... so I suspect ADT would charge me
    about $300!!!!

    Thanks for any help.
     
  2. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest


    Your monitoring/service contract with ADT forbids you to tamper with
    your system's parameters (other than setting additional access codes).
    If you screw something up, it will be a whole lot more expensive for ADT
    to "fix" that a quick call to add another window sensor. I would
    definitely read the fine print in your contract as it appears you
    haven't done so yet. Call ADT. Depending on what you want done and how
    long you've been a customer they're usually pretty reasonable about
    service charges to add protection.
     
  3. You could replace the fixed keypad with a 6160 but the adress has to be the
    same usually 16 on 20 p you need to hit 3and 1 together to get the number
    and adress the 6160 to that number and it should work fine make sure wires
    are hoked up properly and make sure your not violating the system warranty
    adt gave you.
     
  4. Jim

    Jim Guest

    I don't know much about Ademco products but man..... If you've got a
    problem paying someone $70.00 to add a new contact to your alarm
    system,


    I guess you must have gotten one of those "Free" systems, and think
    that everything related to an alarm system isn't worth a damn thing.

    So ... lets see, if you can buy the keypad on line for $100.00 is
    that what you think ADT should charge you to install it? Or maybe,
    you'd be good enough to give them.... what? maybe .....ummm $50.00 for
    the tech's time? Or might you consider that it takes a van, plus
    insurarnce for the van. Maintenence for the van. Benefits for the
    installer. Tools. Keeping an inventory in the van.Liability insurance.
    etc etc etc. But yeah, sure, maybe $50.00 ought to cover it. Or ....
    you could come here and find out how to do it yourself and muck it all
    up and then come back again and see if anyone here would be willing to
    help you get out of the mess you've made. Or ultimately have to call
    ADT and they'll charge you $200.00 to fix you back up and if you
    really mucked it up ....... at the same time you'd give them an
    opportunity to charge you for the balance of your contract due
    now, ..........because your broke the warranty.

    $70.00 is TOO MUCH ...???????? Jeeeeeze!
    What do you have an alarm system for? You obviously don't have enough
    money to buy anything that anyone would want to steal.
     
  5. Crash Gordon

    Crash Gordon Guest

    ADT's not gonna let you do much in the way of "enrolling" devices or adding
    zones or anything regarding real programming.

    Save yourself some time and money and let ADT do it.



    |I have an ADT system installed. I believe it's really an Vista 20P
    | system rebranded by ADT. I am currently using the safewatch pro 3000
    | keypad... it's fixed english. Works fine but...
    |
    | I would like to do things like review the log and maybe program a few
    | new devices (or zones or monitors or "enrolled" devices or whatever
    | the heck you call them). Is it possible for me to buy a 6160 pad
    | online and install it without having to program the system? I mean,
    | can I just swap pads by connecting the wires or is there "install
    | code" work to be done (i.e. the pad is a type of enrolled device that
    | must somehow register with the control panel)?
    |
    | I'm open to ADT doing the work... but you sure pay a premium to have
    | them do anything. I mean, $70 just to add a new window sensor? The
    | 6160 costs about $100 bucks online... so I suspect ADT would charge me
    | about $300!!!!
    |
    | Thanks for any help.
    |
     
  6. G. Morgan

    G. Morgan Guest


    Yeah... If you owned a service company what would you charge to roll
    a truck and pay the technician?

    Forget about the cost of the part, you're paying for professional
    wiring (which you do not have the tools to do correctly), and
    programming.

    What makes you think ADT should come out and add protection to your
    system at a loss? Do you really think they should charge you just $2,
    the cost of the window contact? $70 is a bargain.. a plumber would
    charge that just to show up and give an estimate.

    It's really not your fault... ADT and Brinks trained consumers to
    think that security systems are "free", if you pay the monitoring...
    But remember, the initial system is a "loss leader". It takes on
    average close to 24 months to recover the initial investment of
    installation. Real coverage of the protected premise is going to cost
    more than 99 bucks, and you would be ignorant to think otherwise.
    These companies are after RMR (recurring monthly revenue), they are
    not interested in how much protection devices are helping you.
     
  7. fenwayfool

    fenwayfool Guest

    Thanks, Nick. After reading the programmers guide that's what I
    figured. I think my key fob presents another hurdle.

    Seems like a lot of people who work in the security industry read this
    board, eh? :)

    For the record, I do think $70 for a single wireless sensor is too
    much. I would prefer it if the security companies would make the
    devices easier to use and then simply sell extras online. For
    example, I can buy a pack of wireless sensors on eBay (10 for $200)...
    that's $20 each folks. Then I could add them myself. ADT makes $200,
    and my inner control freak is happy. :) If people can put a
    wireless LinkSys router in their home, they can stick a sensor on a
    window and add its address to the panel.

    Just seems to me that most of what makes doing this stuff yourself
    comes from security thru obscurity... and it does not have to be that
    way... unless of course, you install alarm systems for a living...
    which is fine. I prefer to do it myself.

    Thanks again, Nick.
     
  8. Doug

    Doug Guest

    There are many companies that sell alarm systems and monitoring for the DIY
    market online including, if you prefer DIY then you should probably have
    gone that route. You chose ADT, probably because they offered an
    installation at below cost to secure a long term monitoring agreement with
    them retaining ownership of the system, its understandable that they would
    not want anyone, other than themselves servicing or making modifications to
    their system. I'm not a great fan of ADT, but in this case they hardly seem
    to be overcharging, in fact the $70 charge to add a window sensor sounds
    very reasonable.

    Doug
     
  9. fenwayfool

    fenwayfool Guest

    Pardon? I don't ever remember saying this system was monitored by
    anyone. I said it was an ADT system.
     
  10. Crash Gordon

    Crash Gordon Guest

    Only 70 bucks for a wireless xmtr? Sheesh that's ridiculously cheap. I
    charge 70 for the xmtr and then l hr labor to install (includes travel time)


    | Thanks, Nick. After reading the programmers guide that's what I
    | figured. I think my key fob presents another hurdle.
    |
    | Seems like a lot of people who work in the security industry read this
    | board, eh? :)
    |
    | For the record, I do think $70 for a single wireless sensor is too
    | much. I would prefer it if the security companies would make the
    | devices easier to use and then simply sell extras online. For
    | example, I can buy a pack of wireless sensors on eBay (10 for $200)...
    | that's $20 each folks. Then I could add them myself. ADT makes $200,
    | and my inner control freak is happy. :) If people can put a
    | wireless LinkSys router in their home, they can stick a sensor on a
    | window and add its address to the panel.
    |
    | Just seems to me that most of what makes doing this stuff yourself
    | comes from security thru obscurity... and it does not have to be that
    | way... unless of course, you install alarm systems for a living...
    | which is fine. I prefer to do it myself.
    |
    | Thanks again, Nick.
    |
    |
    | On Jan 29, 8:36 pm, "nick markowitz" <>
    | wrote:
    | > You could replace the fixed keypad with a 6160 but the adress has to be
    the
    | > same usually 16 on 20 p you need to hit 3and 1 together to get the
    number
    | > and adress the 6160 to that number and it should work fine make sure
    wires
    | > are hoked up properly and make sure your not violating the system
    warranty
    | > adt gave you.
    | >
    message| >
    | >
    | >
    | > >I have an ADT system installed. I believe it's really an Vista 20P
    | > > system rebranded by ADT. I am currently using the safewatch pro 3000
    | > > keypad... it's fixed english. Works fine but...
    | >
    | > > I would like to do things like review the log and maybe program a few
    | > > new devices (or zones or monitors or "enrolled" devices or whatever
    | > > the heck you call them). Is it possible for me to buy a 6160 pad
    | > > online and install it without having to program the system? I mean,
    | > > can I just swap pads by connecting the wires or is there "install
    | > > code" work to be done (i.e. the pad is a type of enrolled device that
    | > > must somehow register with the control panel)?
    | >
    | > > I'm open to ADT doing the work... but you sure pay a premium to have
    | > > them do anything. I mean, $70 just to add a new window sensor? The
    | > > 6160 costs about $100 bucks online... so I suspect ADT would charge me
    | > > about $300!!!!
    | >
    | > > Thanks for any help.- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -
    |
     
  11. Doug

    Doug Guest

    Hence the use of the word "probably", if the system isn't owned or monitored
    by ADT then the $70 charge to install a window sensor is a bargain. If you
    own the system then Nick has already pointed you in the right direction.

    Doug

    --
     
  12. secure15

    secure15 Guest

    Listen to Mr. Markowitz-he's a well respected Dealer with years of
    EXPERIENCE: which you lack. He also is highly experienced with ADEMCO
    Products. Violate ADT's Contract like has been stated and be prepared
    for shit to hit the fan.
    Yes they do- and they come across people like you everyday.
    For MY record I'm sick of Customers looking for something for nothing!
    But I bet you pay $85/hr to your car mechanic; $49.99 a month for cable,
    How about a cell phone? Oh, those are ok charges.
    The sensor may COST ADT $30- should THEY drive to your house, install it
    and test it for $40? No problem- no overhead: gas, mileage, insurance,
    Workman's Comp, parts acquisition, training etc- that's all FREE!

    I would prefer it if the security companies would make the
    Security Companies (ie Dealers/Installers) don't MAKE the Devices so
    they don't have anything to do with "making it easier". That's the
    Manufacturers job!
    Yes you can buy "extras" from some here that play DIY."Proceed with Caution"
    There is some difficulty to programming systems- IT"S WHY IT"S MADE FOR
    PROFESSIONALS WITH TRAINING AND EXPERIENCE.
    For example, I can buy a pack of wireless sensors on eBay (10 for
    $200)...
    I can buy them there too. Problem is I have no assurance that what I'm
    buying works, and I have no recourse if it doesn't.
    That's why Legitimate dealers buy from reputable sources like supply
    houses: SOME of which only sell to Licensed Contractors.

    Then I could add them myself.
    Yes, you could TRY- and may alter something else unwittingly, negate
    something, put your property and family at risk; all because YOU DON"T
    KNOW WHAT YOUR'E DOING!
    Difference is I'm TRAINED IN HOW TO USE THEM, INSTALL THEM PROPERLY,
    TEST ALL OF IT PROPERLY AND HAVE A BALL ATTACHED TO MY LEG- A LICENSE
    WHICH MAKES ME RESPONSIBLE AND ACCOUNTABLE FOR IT!


    ADT makes $200,
    I'm sure you want to DIY your Central Station too:
    For $5.00 a month, your cost.


    If people can put a
    Yeah, and you can get in the cockpit of a 747 and fly that too- cause
    you were up in a Cessna 152 once.
    "Just stick it on a window" and add an address- NO, there is a bit more
    to it that that!
    That GOD you don't fart with Fire Alarms- or do you?
    Yep It's not designed with the homeowner in mind for CRITICAL programming.

    .... and it does not have to be that
    Who says- You're the new expert installer?

    ... unless of course, you install alarm systems for a living...
    I do, and Yes I'm fine with it too.
    I prefer to do it myself.
    And I prefer that homeowners not **** with stuff they know nothing
    about. Does your car mechanic let you use his garage and tools for free
    to fix your transmission by yourself?
    Does you Cable Company let you run the line from the pole to your house
    so you can save the service call$?
    Bottom line- stop being a cheap SOB and let a Professional handle it-
    Whether ADT or someone else- their job is knowing the RIGHT WAY TO DO IT!
    Oh yeah "fenwayfool" - Bill Buckner Forever!
     
  13. pulic emeny

    pulic emeny Guest

    methinks somebody is pulling somebody else leg when 'fool' says ADT will
    install a wireless xmitter for $70 on a system they don't monitor.
     
  14. secure15

    secure15 Guest

    MeHead said the same thing when I read it!
     
  15. fenwayfool

    fenwayfool Guest

    ADT guy came out and quoted me $70 a sensor for some upgrades... IF I
    sign up for monitoring.

    Me thinks you are an idot who likes to talk before knowing the facts.

    For those of you out there who are NOT security "experts"... these
    guys are like freaking used car salesmen! Take what they say with a
    grain of salt. They are just trying to make a living... I'm just
    trying to update a security system. WOW. What a PITA!

    This would be my last post. Bye!
     
  16. pulic emeny

    pulic emeny Guest


    looks like I was right! they wouldn't do it on a system they were not
    monitoring for $70! guess I won't have to polish my crystal ball after all.
    tsk, tsk, do you always resort to name calling when you don't get something
    for nothing? maybe you should have included the facts in the op?
    very few in this group are trying to make a a living here, this is mainly
    for kicks and giggles.
    If you think this is a PITA try upgrading your security system by yourself!
    buh bye
     
  17. pulic emeny

    pulic emeny Guest

    how are you gonna save money if you spend $200 to get what ADT will do for
    $70?

    how does ADT make $200? To sell them for $20 they would have to buy truck
    loads and store them in their warehouse, then ship them, that all costs $.
     
  18. pulic emeny

    pulic emeny Guest


    that's a great idea. 'fool' can start a new paradigm in the security biz
    where he stocks all the parts and ships them at a loss to end users to
    install themselves and we can all buy from him [till he goes out of
    business] for less than we pay wholesale. :)
     
  19. EyeBee

    EyeBee Guest

    how do ya like that. guy comes here and ask a question with about 1\2
    the pertinent information needed to answer and then editorialized about
    how much money we should be making. gets what looks like some pretty
    good answers and then starts calling names because he doesn't like the
    answers. Interesting strategy, how's that working for ya?

    By the way what do you do for a living? Maybe we could venture an
    opinion about what we think you should be making?

    http://www.idot.com/
     
  20. alarman

    alarman Guest

    What's an idot?
    B-bye, now.
    js
     
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