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  1. Mark Jones

    Mark Jones Guest

  2. TCS

    TCS Guest

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    Now, if only microsoft would bring 60's technology to the desktop and
    quit having users run as administrator by default.

    On my linux machine, even if I ran a web browser as insecure as internet
    explorer, there's no way it could install anything on the system. The
    web browser running in a user account simply hasn't the priviledges.
     
  3. They indeed sell us old technology as new invention of theirs.
    Then this talk of Billy about intellectual property and such ...
    The track record is not really in favour of theirs what security concerns.

    Rene
     
  4. Thanks for posting this. I downloaded and ran it and a trojan downloader
    was detected and removed. This downloader was rated as a severe threat. I
    regularly use spybot and was surprised by this result.
     
  5. I had a older version of explorer.exe form a previous version of windows, and this microsoft stuff flagged it as torjan ftp
    service. LOL

    It works, maybe too well tho.
     
  6. mc

    mc Guest

    Perhaps Microsoft should give a further nudge in this direction, but the
    real problem is application software that is written to require you to be
    Administrator. There's an amazing amount of it, and it bothers me, because
    I *don't* run as Administrator by default.
     
  7. Nico Coesel

    Nico Coesel Guest

    Keep on dreaming. If a Linux user has access to the network, the user
    can run a piece of software, spyware or other malware. By starting
    this piece of software from an auto start configuration file (can be
    anything from .profile to a kde initialisation file) you have the same
    effect as you have under Windows. The weak link is the user, not the
    OS.
     
  8. Ken Smith

    Ken Smith Guest

    If you the log out and log in as a different user, the system works
    normally again for that user. The bulk of the system is protected from
    the users. Restoring the troubled user to normal is as easy as removing
    the offending software while logged in on a different account. Unlike
    Windows you don't have to try to fix the system with the malware running.

    You can also lock the .profile and KDE files up tight if you really want
    to.
     
  9. TCS

    TCS Guest

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    Bullshit. Come over to my machine and send me an email from the guest
    account. It's IP is 24.8.38.146. You won't because I don't have
    enough holes for you to find one to creep in.
     
  10. TCS

    TCS Guest

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    As a user, a .kde script can't modify the system. You really should
    learn some technology that has come since the 60's. Pretty wonderfull stuff.
     
  11. Joel Kolstad

    Joel Kolstad Guest

    Linux has had a lot of growing pains in the area of software installation as
    well. Back when PC programs were just a 'sub-directory full of data files
    and executables,' (something that Linux was up until a few years ago), a lot
    more of them could be run by 'regular' users than the mess we have now.

    I personally despise software that uses ITS OWN set of user
    name/password/privilege management routines rather than simply using what
    Windows has built-in.
     
  12. Joel Kolstad

    Joel Kolstad Guest

    Umm, while I'd probably agree that -- in general -- there are a lot of
    poorly configured/vulnerable Windows machines out there, I've seen plenty of
    professionally done Windows installations where the machines are both (1)
    usable and (2) stable. Many (but perhaps not all :) ) college campuses
    would be a good example; there are a LOT more kids out there who'll be
    trying to hack the local campus Windows machines than the UNIX boxes.

    Keep in mind which OS Kevin Mitnick's worm ran on, eh?
     
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  14. James Meyer

    James Meyer Guest

    I wonder if it finds the spy/adware that comes with Microsoft operating
    systems and applications.

    It took me a week using several third-party cleaners to remove the junk
    from a clean, default, installation of XP home edition. When I first let XP
    connect to my ISP after the installation, every damned MS application on my
    machine fought with each other to get bandwidth.

    Jim
     
  15. James Meyer

    James Meyer Guest

    Did you expect anything else from "big brother"?
    Thanks for the warning. I was almost tempted to try it.

    Jim
     
  16. Ken Smith

    Ken Smith Guest

    The NT-XP line of windows is better than the 98-Me line. XP is the first
    one for the home user where there is any real protection. Even there it
    still isn't very good protection.

    Windows wants to keep all sorts of unrelated stuff together. The whole
    registry concept is an example of this. Another is the tendancy to put
    the data files in the directory structure as the software. This makes it a
    lot harder to fix a broken system than it would be if they didn't mix
    stuff together.
     
  17. TCS

    TCS Guest

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    What windows has built in is to turn off all checks and to allow the user,
    and any program the user or the user's programs may have spawned to do
    anything to the any part of the system software.
     
  18. TCS

    TCS Guest

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    when was that? How many non-windows worms are running around in the wild
    right now? Zero.

    How many windows worms running around right now? countless.
     
  19. Joel Kolstad

    Joel Kolstad Guest

    I used to think this as well, but over time the registry's grown on me. Why
    is it any different to keep various program settings, user settings, etc. in
    a central databse (that's fully hierarchical, secure, expandable, etc.) than
    it is to keep all those settings spread all over your hard drive in many
    different directories? By having everything in the registry, you eliminate
    a lot of work for programmers who often wouldn't have the time to implement
    something similar with anywhere near as much flexibility or security.

    I would grant you that it makes moving program settings a little harder
    than, e.g., the old 'INI' approach. (Too bad it's an uncommon program that
    has a 'export user settings to file' option...).

    But it's still a LOT better than ten million '.fooRC' files running around a
    user's home directory!
    OK, adimssino #2 is that, yeah, there's still plenty of poor software out
    there that does that, but Microsoft has been pushing developers for OVER A
    DECADE now to keep data files in 'My Documents,' and there's been a great
    improvement in that period.

    In *NIX, of course, usually an application didn't have a choice... it was
    ~user or /tmp or you didn't have any write permissions! :)

    ---Joel
     
  20. Joel Kolstad

    Joel Kolstad Guest

    This is true for any program when the account connected to it is an
    administrator/super user/etc...

    I suspect that the percentage of Linux users who do their 'daily work' with
    an administrator's account is not that much less than the number of Windows
    users who do so... In fact, it might even be higher, if only because there
    are so many millions of Windows users out there who are not
    developers/IT/engineers/etc. for their jobs and these folks will typically
    only have 'normal user' accounts per their IT department's security
    policies... (Where Linux isn't on very many 'low level business users'
    desktops yet.)

    ---Joel
     
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