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NEW 1 WATT RED APOLLO LED BEATS LUXEON STAR (?)

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Denny

Jan 1, 1970
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NEW 1 WATT RED APOLLO LED BEATS LUXEON STAR (?)

The Subject line, above, is from an eBay vendor. Anybody know if the
seller's claim is accurate?

The seller also said, in respect to new competitor to Luxeon: "There
is another competitor as well; Cree's X-Lamp preforms about equivelent
to a 3 watt star but only draws 1 watt of power."

I'd like to hear from anybody who has tried the X-Lamp, and can
comment on how many hours it works before dimming (lifespan.)

Also, where to buy Cree and Apollo at the lowest prices. Thx.
 
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Dirk Bruere at Neopax

Jan 1, 1970
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Denny said:
NEW 1 WATT RED APOLLO LED BEATS LUXEON STAR (?)

The Subject line, above, is from an eBay vendor. Anybody know if the
seller's claim is accurate?

The seller also said, in respect to new competitor to Luxeon: "There
is another competitor as well; Cree's X-Lamp preforms about equivelent
to a 3 watt star but only draws 1 watt of power."

I'd like to hear from anybody who has tried the X-Lamp, and can
comment on how many hours it works before dimming (lifespan.)

Also, where to buy Cree and Apollo at the lowest prices. Thx.

http://www.quickar.com/apollo.php?session=8haXFmAh

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org
 
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Ian Stirling

Jan 1, 1970
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Denny said:
NEW 1 WATT RED APOLLO LED BEATS LUXEON STAR (?)

The Subject line, above, is from an eBay vendor. Anybody know if the
seller's claim is accurate?

I'd take it with several tons of salt.
Actul (paraphrased, as I can't recall exactly) response to a question on
an ebay auction.
"Yes, the 3W LED torch is really 3W, and it stays as bright for 20
hours on 3AAA cells"

Cunning, 18Ah AAA cells...
 
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Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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Ian said:
I'd take it with several tons of salt.
Actul (paraphrased, as I can't recall exactly) response to a question on
an ebay auction.
"Yes, the 3W LED torch is really 3W, and it stays as bright for 20
hours on 3AAA cells"

Cunning, 18Ah AAA cells...


The state of Florida is planning a sales tax holiday on Hurricane
supplies. You can buy a cheap generator, but not a good one. There
were about a dozen items on the list, but not things I would buy without
a definite need.

The list of items excludes AA and AAA batteries. I used more AA
cells than anything else during last year's week long outages. I guess
I'll stock up anyway.
 
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Michael

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael A. Terrell said:
The state of Florida is planning a sales tax holiday on Hurricane
supplies. You can buy a cheap generator, but not a good one. There
were about a dozen items on the list, but not things I would buy without
a definite need.

The list of items excludes AA and AAA batteries. I used more AA
cells than anything else during last year's week long outages. I guess
I'll stock up anyway.



Hmmm .... mebbe stock up on D cells, if they're on the approved list, and build
some adapters to power your AAA and AA stuff from the D's.
 
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Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael said:
Hmmm .... mebbe stock up on D cells, if they're on the approved list, and build
some adapters to power your AAA and AA stuff from the D's.


I spent about a week in a special needs shelter after Hurricane
Jeanne, then a full week at home without electricity while damaged poles
were replaced all over the area. I had a couple radios with me at the
shelter but I'd like to buy a generator big enough to let me run the
well pump and refrigerator. I was miserable with no air conditioning
and respiratory problems. I have started stocking up on canned foods
that don't have to be heated to last a few weeks, just in case. The
Ocala area was hit hard the other day with two tornados, as well.
 
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Dirk Bruere at Neopax

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael said:
I spent about a week in a special needs shelter after Hurricane
Jeanne, then a full week at home without electricity while damaged poles
were replaced all over the area. I had a couple radios with me at the
shelter but I'd like to buy a generator big enough to let me run the
well pump and refrigerator. I was miserable with no air conditioning
and respiratory problems. I have started stocking up on canned foods
that don't have to be heated to last a few weeks, just in case. The
Ocala area was hit hard the other day with two tornados, as well.
This may be a stupid question, but why is electricity delivered on poles?
In Britain the cables were burried years ago.
You suffer from earthquakes?

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org
 
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BobG

Jan 1, 1970
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In Britain the cables were burried years ago.
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What is the UK neighborhood distribution voltage? In the US its about
7200 volts and UNINSULATED. The pole transformer brings 240V center
tapped to the house. I always heard the reason was the thick insulation
required to prevent leakage when the lines are buried.
 
on 04/21/05 said:
This may be a stupid question, but why is electricity delivered on poles?
In Britain the cables were burried years ago.
You suffer from earthquakes?

No, in fact we quite enjoy them :)

I would not begin to guess the ratio, but a lot of places are on poles,
and lots of others are buried. In my neighborhood, its all underground.
Ten miles away, its phone-pole-city.

I know that a lot of the infrastructures are pretty old, so perhaps it is
related to technology then, as opposed to what we have learned since. I
always watch in horror as the hurricanes batter the east coast, taking out
power and really messing up people's lives for days, and even weeks.
Then I just laugh at the stupidity of the power company, obligingly
putting up new poles, stringing all new wire, just in time for the next
storm to make them do it all over again.

If you view corporations and government the way I do, you know why they
just keep putting up poles, and stringing new wires. Insanity is defined
how?

Anyone know the real scoop? No, I don't want to google for the answer :)

JB
 
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John Woodgate

Jan 1, 1970
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Dirk Bruere at Neopax
In Britain the cables were burried years ago.

Not everywhere, by any means. Still a lot of overhead.
 
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Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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Dirk said:
This may be a stupid question, but why is electricity delivered on poles?
In Britain the cables were burried years ago.
You suffer from earthquakes?

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org


There are mllions of trees in the way of putting all the electric
lines uderground in Florida.
 
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Dirk Bruere at Neopax

Jan 1, 1970
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BobG said:
==================================
What is the UK neighborhood distribution voltage? In the US its about
7200 volts and UNINSULATED. The pole transformer brings 240V center
tapped to the house. I always heard the reason was the thick insulation
required to prevent leakage when the lines are buried.
I've only seen a pole transformer in some rural backwater.
None in towns or cities here that I am aware of.

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org
 
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Mark

Jan 1, 1970
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doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome
 
on 04/21/05 said:
Fairly simple, really...
It's cheaper to put up poles, and string lots of wires, and is quicker.
To bury the facilities, you have to dig a trench, lay conduit, put in
manholes and buried junction boxes, use higher insulation cable that is
water penetration and rodent penetration resistant, etc. Also, in a lot
of neighborhoods, the poles are already there!

Inititially it would appear less expensive to set it up that way, but I am
hard pressed to think its cheaper in the long run to keep putting them up
three times a year, year after year. It also does not seem overly
beneficial to anyone who is waiting for their power to come back on, three
and four weeks after the storm.

Considering that many places do bury their cables, I am just curious.

It would be interesting to see some numbers on the cost of maintaining,
replacing and repairing them tho, as without them, its just speculation.
Can't argue it would be cheaper initially, but if I was a resident of
Hurricane Alley, and there was no good technical reason why the lines
can't be buried, I think I would be up in arms to see the power company
out there year after year, decade after decade, hoping for the results to
be different this next time. After all, they all went ballistic over
hanging chads and Terri Shaivo, surely they must have a little outrage
left to put to good use :)

John
 
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Charlie Edmondson

Jan 1, 1970
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No, in fact we quite enjoy them :)

I would not begin to guess the ratio, but a lot of places are on poles,
and lots of others are buried. In my neighborhood, its all underground.
Ten miles away, its phone-pole-city.

I know that a lot of the infrastructures are pretty old, so perhaps it is
related to technology then, as opposed to what we have learned since. I
always watch in horror as the hurricanes batter the east coast, taking out
power and really messing up people's lives for days, and even weeks.
Then I just laugh at the stupidity of the power company, obligingly
putting up new poles, stringing all new wire, just in time for the next
storm to make them do it all over again.

If you view corporations and government the way I do, you know why they
just keep putting up poles, and stringing new wires. Insanity is defined
how?

Anyone know the real scoop? No, I don't want to google for the answer :)

JB
Fairly simple, really...

It's cheaper to put up poles, and string lots of wires, and is quicker.
To bury the facilities, you have to dig a trench, lay conduit, put in
manholes and buried junction boxes, use higher insulation cable that is
water penetration and rodent penetration resistant, etc. Also, in a lot
of neighborhoods, the poles are already there!

Charlie
(who has been looking into building on undeveloped land, and so has had
to price the difference!)
 
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Phil Hobbs

Jan 1, 1970
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Dirk said:
I've only seen a pole transformer in some rural backwater.
None in towns or cities here that I am aware of.

I have one right outside my house, which is in a nearby suburb of NYC.

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs
 
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Joel Kolstad

Jan 1, 1970
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Dirk Bruere at Neopax said:
This may be a stupid question, but why is electricity delivered on poles?

Because the cost of burying power cables is MUCH higher than stringing up
poles, something like 6x if I recall correctly.

In new developments in the US, the cables almost always are buried. But
there's a lot of the US that's had power for many decades now and is built up
enough that having to bury all the power lines would be exhorbitantly
expensive (much more costly than it is for new developments due to having to
rip up and re-route so much of the existing infrastructure).
In Britain the cables were burried years ago.

The US is ginormous compared to Britain. (I'm all for high speed rail too,
like most of Europe has, but it's much harder to make it economically feasible
in a country this size vs. countries the size of Europe.)

---Joel Kolstad
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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No, in fact we quite enjoy them :)

I would not begin to guess the ratio, but a lot of places are on poles,
and lots of others are buried. In my neighborhood, its all underground.
Ten miles away, its phone-pole-city.

I know that a lot of the infrastructures are pretty old, so perhaps it is
related to technology then, as opposed to what we have learned since. I
always watch in horror as the hurricanes batter the east coast, taking out
power and really messing up people's lives for days, and even weeks.
Then I just laugh at the stupidity of the power company, obligingly
putting up new poles, stringing all new wire, just in time for the next
storm to make them do it all over again.

If you view corporations and government the way I do, you know why they
just keep putting up poles, and stringing new wires. Insanity is defined
how?

Anyone know the real scoop? No, I don't want to google for the answer :)

Swamps.

Cheers!
Rich
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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I've only seen a pole transformer in some rural backwater.
None in towns or cities here that I am aware of.

You can't dig a hole in Florida. It fills up with either seawater or
swamp. Much like Louisiana - ask John. :)

Cheers!
Rich
 
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Charlie Edmondson

Jan 1, 1970
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In <[email protected]>, on 04/21/05



Inititially it would appear less expensive to set it up that way, but I am
hard pressed to think its cheaper in the long run to keep putting them up
three times a year, year after year. It also does not seem overly
beneficial to anyone who is waiting for their power to come back on, three
and four weeks after the storm.

Considering that many places do bury their cables, I am just curious.

It would be interesting to see some numbers on the cost of maintaining,
replacing and repairing them tho, as without them, its just speculation.
Can't argue it would be cheaper initially, but if I was a resident of
Hurricane Alley, and there was no good technical reason why the lines
can't be buried, I think I would be up in arms to see the power company
out there year after year, decade after decade, hoping for the results to
be different this next time. After all, they all went ballistic over
hanging chads and Terri Shaivo, surely they must have a little outrage
left to put to good use :)

John
Yes, but you see...

Expence to install initial facilities - MINE
Expence to maintain facilities - UTILITY

So, if I reduce the installation expenses, I save money, at the expense
of the utility having to maintain them later. So, I use poles!

Also, underground utilities are not maintance free. Flooding and water
penetration are a major problem, as are the fact that rodents seem to
like chewing on them. Also, the problem of someone digging a new fence
in right through your utilty line, etc.

Charlie
 
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