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Discussion in 'Security Alarms' started by Celso Lujan, Jan 7, 2005.

  1. Celso Lujan

    Celso Lujan Guest

    John:

    My company has had much success with network cameras, especially the
    AXIS Communications Model 2100. The beauty of it is that we developed a
    method to make the computer controlling the camera a DVR; thus, we
    reduced the cost of a camera system considerably. They seem to last
    forever, we have been using them for over six years and have never had
    one go bad. If you are interested in seeing one in action, we have a
    demo on-line at

    URL http://206.206.97.135:5801

    The password is "acasdemo".

    Click in the black area of the screen with the left mouse button. Hold
    the mouse button down and drag to "Cameras". Click on the Cameras
    selection and wait until the browser comes up. Click on Real Time
    Display and you will see the output of the camera we have on our demo
    system.


    If you need more information contact me at


    Good Luck.

    Celso Lujan
     
  2. John O

    John O Guest

    Something doesn't seem to add up...the pundits claim that networked CCTV
    cameras--those with IP addresses and Ethernet connectors--are The Big Thing.
    But, these cameras are fairly scarce, unless I'm looking in the wrong
    places. And, the ones I find are darned expensive. (I could buy a cheap
    laptop and add a good webcam for less than what some of these cost...)

    Is there any real market for cameras attached via Ethernet as opposed to
    composite video?

    -John O
     
  3. jackcsg

    jackcsg Guest

    It's darn near all I use. Look at Panasonic dot com/consumer division. The
    new BL-C10A is priced right around $150.00. It's a great little camera. Easy
    to install, and program.
    That said....a market you ask? Absolutely! Right now it's wide
    open....because 90% of the alarm companies out there are clueless about
    them....and networks in general.
    I've been using the Internet to monitor alarms, and video verification with
    Network cameras for 25 months without a single false alarm....or dispatch!
    People love not spending an arm and a leg on head end equipment....
    If you have any questions....I'd be glad to fill you in more.

    Jack
     
  4. John O

    John O Guest

    Jack, I do have a couple questions. Send me an email johno att heathkit
    daht com.
     
  5. Guest

    there is a big discussion about that over here:
    http://www.cctvforum.com

    My views, its not there yet, yes its open, but the prices are still too
    high for what they do. We have plenty of open markets in this country,
    but noone to fill the need for them. However, it is right now, perfect
    for video monitoring aplications, which require monitoring of hundreds
    of cameras, using video servers for existing and low priced installs. I
    dont see (at least not here) relying on the recording over the internet
    yet 100%, even with great broadband like we actually have here
    (canadian cable company), so would see only motion/alarm recording over
    the internet, and a local DVR is still a good choice. But for people
    that cant afford it or dont want the worries of handling a DVR, then
    just put in a couple cheap B/W Bullet cameras and a 2 or 4 channel
    video server and its good to go ...

    The future will not be 100% analogue nor 100% networked, it will be
    mixed, as there will always be the uncetainty of the stablity of the
    network, and then the ease of simply pluging in a camera to a cat5
    outlet somewhere, and prices will be less by then on the IP cameras. In
    fact there may be something new by then totally different from what we
    are talking about now. How about small chips in the cameras, no wires,
    no antennas, that talk to a main group of satellites and link a set
    group of cameras anywhere in the world, into a stand alone
    microcomputer, no inputs, and it auto finds all cameras programmed for
    that particular device. :) Would be some monthly recurring for the
    satelite company, but .. the way these major brands are competing these
    days, who knows, maybe they will buy each out, and end up as one large
    brand. ofcourse they'll need to speed those upstreams some more ..

    Anyway, when manufacturers start selling the dual IP/Analogue cameras,
    then it may take off more, some have, or close to it. Networks arent
    that complicated, no more than setting up a professional CCTV system,
    but some experience is needed in large networks, though thats the same
    for both industries. ofcourse there are tons of geeks for hire out
    there to assist the move over to IP for any security company!
    peace and unity :)
    its all good once its CCTV
     
  6. Guest

    One thing that is big in CCTV now, is UTP/Cat5 transmission, from cheap
    baluns to higher end Active Transcievers such as NVT. The cheap baluns
    being the biggest hit right now, one thing people have to realise, is
    unless they are using active devices, you can still get interference
    and ground hums with them. So unless you are running a bundle of UTP
    wire, or using existing cat5, for convenience, then you may want to
    just stick with RG59 Siamese....
     
  7. jackcsg

    jackcsg Guest

    $150.00 is too high? Viewable from any Standard Internet Browser! Limited?
    Rory, you need break down and play with one. Yours views would change.
    It has it's application. As with any security, or level of security, you
    have to decide the best equipment for the application. They are great for
    small store owners who don't want too, nor can afford to shell out a few
    thousand dollars for a small camera system. The cameras can be recorded on
    site just as easily as a DVR.
    Old technology is not the way to go. Most Network cameras (in fact I've
    never seen a B/W one) are color, so there's no them. Color Cameras are as
    cheap as B/W.
    You are right, the future will be both. Are you incinuating the Internet is
    unstable? A network? Just as there are applications for security, there are
    applications for networks, including the means in which you climb on to the
    Internet. We have business grade, guaranteed up time services here, just as
    well as cheap no guarantee aDSL/Cable.
    There's no need to over complicate simplicity, nor add extreme costs to end
    users.
    Take the tin foil off your head....
    The Panasonic KX-HCM280 offers both digital and analog/composite video
    outputs. I've installed about 20 of them, both stand alone, and five of them
    to an existing Kalatel DVR.
    They're unitized, PTZ's. The picture quality was better than the Cyberdomes
    I put them net too, at an opposite end of a building. They even performed
    better at night, with little to no light.
    Once the security industry on a whole learns open architecture, false alarms
    will be eliminated, speed and accuracy will increase, and so will a
    company's RMR. Learn more, there's certainly no harm in it.

    Jack
     
  8. Guest

    Ok, ill buy one just for the heck of it, and test it against the
    Kalatel and real Panasonic CCTV cameras ... and let you know the
    outcome ..

    like you said, no harm in it, as that is what i do for a living, test
    test test..
     
  9. Guest

    by the way, i checked into that camera, it is a web cam, not a CCTV
    camera. Thats why it is sought of cheap.

    It is a 1/4" CMOS sensor, which is OLD cheap technology. It is 1 lux,
    which is not low light. It is only max 640 x 480. Frame rates are only
    7.5pps at 640x480. It is not weatherresistant. According to the specs,
    it does not have an analogue output.

    Anyway, it is just a web cam, nothing special. It is one of their
    consumer products.
    You said you connected it to a Kalatel DVR? Id be interested to know,
    just for kicks.

    here is where you can find Panasonics CCTV network cameras.
    http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webap...toreId=11201&catalogId=13051&catGroupId=14471
     
  10. Guest

    that camera looks like a web cam as far as quality and features, when
    you can get a wide dynamic day night in it let me know, and some real
    network software not a basic browser plug in.

    Yes the internet is not 100% uptime, it IS unreliable. There is no
    color camera that can outperform a BW camera in low light applications
    - thats the problem with current network cameras, they are crap for low
    light applications.

    As for store owners, who is shelling out thousands of dollars for a
    small system? Cameras come in as low as $50 and the DVR as low as $300.

    I have seen the demo you posted before, and it sucks. I will never buy
    one of those. Good luck with it though. I dont consider that CCTV,
    thats just like a web cam ...
     
  11. jackcsg

    jackcsg Guest

    I have an older Panasonic (first of the Digitals) WV-CP414 Color Camera
    along side of a KX-HCM280 Network camera, both on composite video, into a
    color monitor, at my bench. Night and day, the difference in quality. When I
    put in the 280's along with some Kalatel Cyberdomes, which are 6 years old,
    the newer Network cam is 2 fold better picture quality, and 3 times brighter
    at night. I installed a 1000 Metal Halide light in the front of this
    building for better vision at night, for the Cyberdome, which helped
    immensely, the 280 doesn't even need it. They both zoom about equal, but the
    280 is clearer, and twice as fast, speed wise. The owner wants to switch the
    Cyberdomes over to 280's. I paid about $800.00 for the 280....you know what
    the Cyberdomes cost....$$$
     
  12. jackcsg

    jackcsg Guest

    The BL-C10A is a Network Camera, not a web camera. And no, it doesn't have a
    composite video output. Only the KX-HCM280 does. No camera is rated for
    outdoor use....only their housings. You can stick the BL-C10A in a Videolarm
    Network Camera Housing...works great. Needs the help of a good light at
    night though. It's a cheap consumer product that performs very well for the
    $150. It's well worth the money, and I give them away on installs for video
    verification (indoors). I just bury them in my installation costs....
     
  13. jackcsg

    jackcsg Guest

    Come on Rory, there's an application for every piece of equipment.
    Panasonic does make recording software for around $350.
    I gave up selling FLIR cameras for a living. Never sold one to a consumer.
    $150 Network Camera, and a $9.00 500 watt quartz light sell more easily.
    Hell I sold 500 watt quartz lights to the Government, and it became a
    standard....
    I haven't sold a B/W camera in over 10 years....that's what light bulbs are
    for.
    You need to have more fun with inputs and outputs....
    So your saying for $500 I can get a four camera system with a DVR?
    I'd like to see the breakdown and the GSM on that one.
    Throw in a 72 hour warranty, and you got a deal....
    It's not CCTV. It's open circuit video.
    I'll try to get one of my 280's on line for you so you can see the
    difference. The old demo I had in my office was first generation. I only
    sold about 40 of those, and have had a few problems with the pan/tilt. The
    new BL-C10A is much better.
    When I get my 280 up, I'll give you a shout, and let you play with the admin
    side of it as well.
     
  14. Guest

    yeah but you can get the cyberdome in day night 25x
    yes pricey though ..
     
  15. Guest

    yeah, $375 for the DVR, $50 a camera, non LAN, 9 channel mux.

    or $580 with lan DVR plus $50 a camera.

    1 year warranty.
    I sell extreme CCTV, heard of FLIR but prices are outragous.
     
  16. mikey

    mikey Guest

    What is it with you alarm guys and freebees? Bury them in your installation
    costs? What's that? some sort of bizarro contingency fee?
     
  17. new

    new Guest

    is that a single channel dvr? When viewed over the internet are all 9
    cameras on the single page? How does that look? Can you see well
    enough what is going on as opposed to 1 camera or even 4 on a page?
     
  18. Guest

    well the $375 is a 9 channel Multiplexer DVR, no network.

    The $580 is a 4 channel Multiplexed DVR with network, client software,
    and browser based.

    As for remote video, Kalatel has 64 way multi site software, but their
    DVRs are much more than what I posted, Nice on a plasma. 4, 9 or 16
    cameras are fine on anything like a 17", 15" Monitors 16 way can be
    quite small. Ofcourse it also depends on your resolution size, and for
    quality, depends on the cameras to start, your monitor, and you video
    card.

    Rory
     
  19. Guest

    by the way, it is dealer price from a cctv distributor in miami.
    www.cctvco.com
    (i have no affiliation to them by the way, I just buy from them)
     
  20. jackcsg

    jackcsg Guest

    send me a plasma screen....and I'll send you a Network Camera....
     
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