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Need to replace Electric Baseboard Heating Units & Replacement Windows

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Jan 1, 1970
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Joe Fischer said:
Electric or electric controlled is fine for primary heat,
but I keep two Gas Fired SPACE heaters just for when
the electric is out. :)


If you are going to have a back-up source for heat... and even if you
don't...
Then don't say "high tech furnace's are a threat".

The fact is, the newer, high tech, modern day furnace's are safer than the
old units.

My baseboard heat isn't working as well as I hoped,
even at 6 cents, it is expensive to heat just one room, small
kitchen and bath.


Expensive at 6 cents... something isn't right.
Of coarse a heat pump would be more economical than your straight electric
heat.

Gas SPACE heaters can be built to be just as
efficient as the modern furnace,


Going backwards in technology again are we?

and I suppose I could
put ductwork for flame air and a heat exchanger in the
vent pipe, so I may need to do that next summer.

Joe Fischer


You're starting to sound like an engineer that is wanting to spend $1000 to
save $5.
Good luck with that.
 
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Jan 1, 1970
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Mike said:
You bring up good ponts. Can I get a copy of your spreadsheet?


What figures would you like me to input for you?

List the fuel types, fuel cost and equipment efficiencies... and I'll get
you the end cost per million btu transferred into the space.
 
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Steve Spence

Jan 1, 1970
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Donald said:
So how do you run the fan in the furnace when the power is out?

Donald

My furnace doesn't have a fan, plus I'm off grid, so my power is never
out. Propane wall heaters are non-electric. My primary heat is wood, but
I have propane heat for when I want to go away for a weekend.
 
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Steve Spence

Jan 1, 1970
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kjpro said:
Ok then,

With most modern every day piece of heating equipment... which one do you
recommend, that doesn't require ELECTRIC to operate?

Or are we to go back to the days of Gas Fired SPACE heaters???

What's wrong with propane wall heaters for emergency backup, or even a
nice woodstove?
 
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Guest

Jan 1, 1970
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full cord of tamarack wood. $160.00 delivered. Cast iron stove.
82.5%


$12.12 <<<--- this is incorrect[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I missed something here.........

It should be $7.46 per million btu entered into the space.
 
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Guest

Jan 1, 1970
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Steve Spence said:
My furnace doesn't have a fan, plus I'm off grid, so my power is never
out. Propane wall heaters are non-electric. My primary heat is wood, but
I have propane heat for when I want to go away for a weekend.

The thing that most everyone is missing is this...

There are many ways to provide heat without electric, but for the most
part... they are inefficient and not as comfortable as other heat sources.
 
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Guest

Jan 1, 1970
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Steve Spence said:
What's wrong with propane wall heaters for emergency backup, or even a
nice woodstove?

As in my other reply, there are many ways to provide emergency heat without
electric. But in most cases, these are inefficient and compromise your
comfort.
 
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Steve Spence

Jan 1, 1970
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kjpro said:
As in my other reply, there are many ways to provide emergency heat without
electric. But in most cases, these are inefficient and compromise your
comfort.

I disagree. In many areas, electric is expensive, and in our case not
even available. Wood heat is very comfortable, and so is propane.
Propane is very efficient (ventless). Wood is only a bit less with some
burners (http://woodboilers.com/)
 
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Guest

Jan 1, 1970
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Steve Spence said:
I disagree. In many areas, electric is expensive, and in our case not
even available. Wood heat is very comfortable, and so is propane.
Propane is very efficient (ventless). Wood is only a bit less with some
burners (http://woodboilers.com/)

Ok, this discussion is way off the original track... BUT

Electric isn't expensive EVERYWHERE. Especially when you use it to operate a
Heat Pump.

Wood heat isn't for MOST people as it's very labor intensive and requires
time that some people don't have. Or a schedule to accommodate one either.

Then you want to talk about VENTLESS LP heaters....... WHAT A JOKE!!!!!
Ever heard of Carbon Monoxide??

You do know CO kills RIGHT??

You do know, you don't use VENTLESS heaters as a primary source of heat,
RIGHT?

So to make it plain and simple... you can take those VENTLESS heaters and...
well, you get the point.
 
Sorry, I missed something here.........

It should be $7.46 per million btu entered into the space.

wrong. the cord of wood was split inside the heated space.

factor in the btu's generated while splitting the wood.

heat source: calories burned.
 
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Guest

Jan 1, 1970
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wrong. the cord of wood was split inside the heated space.

factor in the btu's generated while splitting the wood.

heat source: calories burned.

Like I was supposed to know it wasn't split. <rolleyes>
 
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Steve Spence

Jan 1, 1970
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kjpro said:
Then you want to talk about VENTLESS LP heaters....... WHAT A JOKE!!!!!
Ever heard of Carbon Monoxide??

You do know CO kills RIGHT??

You do know, you don't use VENTLESS heaters as a primary source of heat,
RIGHT?

So to make it plain and simple... you can take those VENTLESS heaters and...
well, you get the point.

Ok, so you don't know much about propane heaters. I have a CO detector.
It's never measured anythimg above 0 with two propane fridges, a propane
cookstove, propane dryer, and propane water heater. The only time it
squawked was when the kids fired up the gas genny in the attached garage
(measured 95). Propane stoves do not give off CO.

Our primary heat is wood. It's a pleasure, not a chore, and it's very
inexpensive. $450 / year.
 
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Guest

Jan 1, 1970
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Steve Spence said:
Ok, so you don't know much about propane heaters. I have a CO detector.
It's never measured anythimg above 0 with two propane fridges, a propane
cookstove, propane dryer, and propane water heater. The only time it
squawked was when the kids fired up the gas genny in the attached garage
(measured 95). Propane stoves do not give off CO.

You DID NOT just say a propane cookstove doesn't give off
CO?????????????????????????

Isn't your water heater vented? Guess what... there's CO going out the flu!!

What brand and model CO Detector do you own?
How much did you pay for it? Where did you purchase it?

A quality meter is $200 plus... and not sold in most large retail "chain"
stores.

I know quite a bit about LP (Liquified Protroleum) Propane... R-290

Now I suggect that you go read up on the appliances in your home that you
know nothing about.
Our primary heat is wood. It's a pleasure, not a chore, and it's very
inexpensive. $450 / year.

You do realize that burning WOOD creates CO?
Or did you assume it was vented to remove the smoke?
 
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AKS

Jan 1, 1970
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You DID NOT just say a propane cookstove doesn't give off
CO?????????????????????????

Isn't your water heater vented? Guess what... there's CO going out the
flu!!

What brand and model CO Detector do you own?
How much did you pay for it? Where did you purchase it?

A quality meter is $200 plus... and not sold in most large retail "chain"
stores.

I know quite a bit about LP (Liquified Protroleum) Propane... R-290

Now I suggect that you go read up on the appliances in your home that you
know nothing about.


You do realize that burning WOOD creates CO?
Or did you assume it was vented to remove the smoke?


Gentlemen all gases can kill person it depend on concentration
of that gas in the area you are in and when I said all I mean it all
the worst are does that person can't smell are test
I lived till I was 15 years old that we had only wood to heat
are cook I also lived in bayou country of Louisiana for 7 years
where we had open heating heaters power it by propane
and I never hear from anyone dieing from CO however precautions
must be taking there is the way to add oxygen to the rooms
heaters are use for absorbing the CO I can't say which terminology
you wish to use it does not make difference as long it comes
out to same thing reduction of CO safe for personal living

Dido say that
 
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Jan 1, 1970
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AKS said:
Gentlemen all gases can kill person it depend on concentration
of that gas in the area you are in and when I said all I mean it all
the worst are does that person can't smell are test
I lived till I was 15 years old that we had only wood to heat
are cook I also lived in bayou country of Louisiana for 7 years
where we had open heating heaters power it by propane
and I never hear from anyone dieing from CO however precautions
must be taking there is the way to add oxygen to the rooms
heaters are use for absorbing the CO I can't say which terminology
you wish to use it does not make difference as long it comes
out to same thing reduction of CO safe for personal living

Dido say that

We don't live in barns no more.

We also have indoor plumbing.

CO has many effects whether you realize it's happening to you or not.
 
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Steve Spence

Jan 1, 1970
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kjpro said:
You DID NOT just say a propane cookstove doesn't give off
CO?????????????????????????

Isn't your water heater vented? Guess what... there's CO going out the flu!!

What brand and model CO Detector do you own?
How much did you pay for it? Where did you purchase it?

A quality meter is $200 plus... and not sold in most large retail "chain"
stores.

I know quite a bit about LP (Liquified Protroleum) Propane... R-290

Now I suggect that you go read up on the appliances in your home that you
know nothing about.


You do realize that burning WOOD creates CO?
Or did you assume it was vented to remove the smoke?
If a propane burner is emitting CO, then it's not adjusted properly. Our
gas company measured 13 ppm using the air-free method.

The CO emitted from a woodstove goes up the chimney, not into a house.
 
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Guest

Jan 1, 1970
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Steve Spence said:
If a propane burner is emitting CO, then it's not adjusted properly.

If a propane burner can burn so clean....... WHY ARE THEY VENTED?????????

And while we are on it... WHY ARE THEY NOT 100% EFFICIENT?????????

Get a clue man, you're DANGEROUS!!!!!
 
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