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Need a good reference on designing crystal filters

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Stephen

Jan 1, 1970
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Does anyone know of a good tutorial or reference book that deals with
the theory and design of crystal filters? Earlier, somone recommended
the ARRL handbook (which I have ordered). Does anyone know of a
another good resource (especially one online)?

btw... I'm trying to design (and understand) a very narraw bandpass
filter (fc = 60khz for WWVB).

Thanks
Stephen
 
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Genome

Jan 1, 1970
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Stephen said:
Does anyone know of a good tutorial or reference book that deals with
the theory and design of crystal filters? Earlier, somone recommended
the ARRL handbook (which I have ordered). Does anyone know of a
another good resource (especially one online)?

btw... I'm trying to design (and understand) a very narraw bandpass
filter (fc = 60khz for WWVB).

Thanks
Stephen

Wotz WWVB

DNA
 
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Joel Kolstad

Jan 1, 1970
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Stephen,

Stephen said:
Does anyone know of a good tutorial or reference book that deals with
the theory and design of crystal filters?

Wes Hayward's RF circuit design book is good, although he uses a table-based
approach so if you're looking for the derivation of the necessary coupling
coefficients you'll have to consult his references. (Even when I was in
school, we were made to derive the '1Hz prototype filter' component values
in exactly ONE homework problem out of the dozens of filters we did as
homework. It's kinda tedious...and the homework problem was something
simple like a Butterworth filter as well. For elliptical filters, it's
quite involved to obtain the prototype values.) Anyway, though, a good
point about Wes's book in that he explains the physical meanings of the
coupling coefficient, which is useful in that a large number of books on
filter design assume you're going to be using LC-LC-LC... sections rather
than the LC-C-LC-... sections that are so much more attractive for Xtal
filter

Experimental Methods in RF Design (written by Wes Hayward, Bob Larkin and
Rick Campbell) has a fair amount of info as well. In many ways it's more
advanced that Wes's own book, and refers to that book as a reference. In
either case, be sure to check out Wes's web site
(http://users.easystreet.com/w7zoi/w7zoi-page.html), because it has errata
and additional information.

This is a good general purpose link for filter design:
http://www.circuitsage.com/filter.html . If you're looking for a program to
do the design for you, the AADE Filter Designer listed is good, and while
the link says it's $25, these days it's actually free (Neil Heckt, Mr. AADE,
has a note about how he was making orders of magnitude more income from his
hardware products than from his software, so he decided to just make the
software free).
btw... I'm trying to design (and understand) a very narraw bandpass
filter (fc = 60khz for WWVB).

Cool, I'd love to see the results!

---Joel Kolstad
 
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Clarence_A

Jan 1, 1970
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Stephen said:
Does anyone know of a good tutorial or reference book that deals with
the theory and design of crystal filters? Earlier, someone recommended
the ARRL handbook (which I have ordered). Does anyone know of a
another good resource (especially one online)?

btw... I'm trying to design (and understand) a very narrow band
filter (fc = 60khz for WWVB).

Thanks
Stephen
Try:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=sr_1_28/103-8037244-8561467?v=glance&s=books


I use it and like the presentation.

Or try others on Amazon. There are about 100 plus listed.
 
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colin

Jan 1, 1970
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Stephen said:
Does anyone know of a good tutorial or reference book that deals with
the theory and design of crystal filters? Earlier, somone recommended
the ARRL handbook (which I have ordered). Does anyone know of a
another good resource (especially one online)?

btw... I'm trying to design (and understand) a very narraw bandpass
filter (fc = 60khz for WWVB).

theres some interesting stuff on the net if you look up 'crystal ladder
filter networks'

Colin =^.^=
 
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Mark

Jan 1, 1970
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Stephen said:
Does anyone know of a good tutorial or reference book that deals with
the theory and design of crystal filters? Earlier, somone recommended
the ARRL handbook (which I have ordered). Does anyone know of a
another good resource (especially one online)?

btw... I'm trying to design (and understand) a very narraw bandpass
filter (fc = 60khz for WWVB).

Thanks
Stephen

"Handbook of Filter Synthesis"
Anatol I. Zverev
John Wiley & Sons
 
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John Woodgate

Jan 1, 1970
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I read in sci.electronics.design that martin griffith
precision time signal

..... and standard frequency transmission. Sends out sun-tanned signals,
because it's in Hawai'i.
 
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Stephen

Jan 1, 1970
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Thanks for the detailed info... I will let you know how the filter
works once completed. If you had to pick one of the three books
mentioned above, which would you chose?
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello John,
.... and standard frequency transmission. Sends out sun-tanned signals,
because it's in Hawai'i.

That would be WWVH. WWVB is in Colorado so there are usually icicles
hanging off the trailing edges.

Regards, Joerg
 
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Joel Kolstad

Jan 1, 1970
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Stephen said:
Thanks for the detailed info... I will let you know how the filter
works once completed. If you had to pick one of the three books
mentioned above, which would you chose?

Probably Introduction to RF Design by Hayward... and then I'd ask if someone
were willing to scan in a couple of relevant pages from Experimental Methods
in RF Design and e-mail them to you. :)
 
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John Woodgate

Jan 1, 1970
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Joerg
Hello John,


That would be WWVH. WWVB is in Colorado so there are usually icicles
hanging off the trailing edges.

Regards, Joerg

Oops! I must mind my Bs and Hs. The signals are sun-tanned only in
summer.
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello Stephen,
btw... I'm trying to design (and understand) a very narraw bandpass
filter (fc = 60khz for WWVB).

While waiting for the books I'd just whip one up. Drive one side of the
crystal with the output of your first RF stage, terminate the other side
with a resistor and look at the response curve. The resistor needs to be
experimented with, it probably will end up somewhere between 2k and 10k.
That's pretty much it. The real thing would be with a bifilar
transformer at the driving end and a phasing cap but for many atomic
clock receivers that's already too much cost.

Regards, Joerg
 
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Stephen

Jan 1, 1970
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Thanks.. I've been doing just that on PSpice (I have to order some
crystals as well). I've noticed that people typically use crystals
that are ever so slightly above there desitred center frequency.
Should I start with the 60.002 khz or 60.003 khz crystals instead of
the 60.000 Hz ones? Again, I really want to learn this stuff (not just
cook-book it) but I haven't acquired any references yet. Thanks for
the help.

Stephen
 
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Mark

Jan 1, 1970
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You need to understand the difference between the series and parallel
resonance of a crystal.

Read up on that.

That will answer your question.

Mark
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello Mark,
You need to understand the difference between the series and parallel
resonance of a crystal.

Read up on that.

That will answer your question.

Yes. Crystals can be pulled a bit even in filter applications. Spice is
ok but it doesn't replace experimenting here. Stephen, until your 60kHz
crystals arrive just take any low frequency crystal you have, like a
32.768kHz crystal pried out of a worn-out watch. Make a filter with that
and probe around.

Regards, Joerg
 
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