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Napco MA-3000 Fire Bell Trouble warning upon power-up.

Upon power-up I get a system trouble of "Fire Bell trouble". I believe
the system checks for a wired sounder device for fire alarm upon
powering up... I guess it warns of a short or open in this circuit.

QUESTIONS:

Does that mean it's looking for a bell / siren driver board at the 6
(common) and 7 (N/C) or 8 (N/O) terminal ? which is the FIRE RELAY

Can this be by-passed if there is no sounding device set-up. Could this
be crossed with a 2.2K EOL resistor to avoid this System Trouble
warning. The system only need to monitor the perimeter of a
construction site and has no fire detection yet.

I tried connecting a siren driver board (without the speaker attached).
After connecting it to term# 6 and 7, then #6 and 8, I still get the
warning message .

Also what exactly is this system expecting on those terminals? a
siren?, a driver board? , a horn? (does the speaker have to be
connected to a S/D board ---I'm trying to avoid a false alarm while
finishing the installation so I removed the speaker.

[newbie question]-- N/O vs. N/C for that connection, which to use. and
"cut jumper for dry contact" vs. leaving it intact.

Unfortunately the installation manual does not go into basic details
that installers already know...

Thanks-In-Advance....Any suggestions are most appreciated

PS: if there are other newsgroups that answer these types of questions,
please let me know the Alt.security DIY group had so few postings I
thought I check with the pros.
 
J

jewellfish

Jan 1, 1970
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Without the jumper cut the realy is "wet" --it actually supplies
voltage--it is really more of an "output" than a relay, like you are
thinking of it. Yes, put a 2.2k reisitor across 6 & 8 and that error
should clear. If you decide to connect something to it, use something
that just wants straight voltage (something with an internal driver).

The ma3000 was Napco's answer to the combo fire/burg systems on the
market; it may be a bit of an overkill for what your using it for.
 
Thank you for the reply...
Yes, put a 2.2k reisitor across 6 & 8 and that error should clear.

I did try a 2.2K resistor across those terminals (Fire Relay common #6
and N/O #8) earlier on when I was trying several configs to eliminate
the "Fire Bell Trouble" warning. It did not make a difference. I still
get the warning.
Without the jumper cut the realy is "wet" --it actually supplies
voltage--it is really more > of an "output" than a relay, like you are
thinking of it. If you decide to connect
something to it, use something that just wants straight voltage
(something with an internal driver).

Jumper is not yet cut---so the system will send 24VDC thru those
terminals upon a fire alarm? If there is a siren driver and speaker
connected (I have an Ademco #744 with an Emer Prod Corp # 60-20, 8
ohms-20 watt "Siren Less Driver") shouldn't that satisfy the system's
need for resistence across those terminals since a resistor wouldn't.
Incidentially is that EPC device ( labeled "Siren Less Driver" )
actually a siren and not a speaker?... I guess I'm still trying to
understand the relationship between a siren driver board (i.e. the
Ademco #744) and the device that looks like a speaker. (would the EPC
device work without the Ademco cir-board?-- I'm checking the net for
specs on that device to see if it can)

THANKS again for the advice, any follow-up or further suggestions would
be helpful.
 
E

Everywhere Man

Jan 1, 1970
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Power down the system and upon powering up make sure to program "Go
ahead make my day" to display on the keypads.
 
G

G. Morgan

Jan 1, 1970
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Everywhere said:
Power down the system and upon powering up make sure to program "Go
ahead make my day" to display on the keypads.


Better yet, use seventeen on-board relays to make the damn thing dial
out on the second phone line. Se sure to short the primary line!


-G
 
M

Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
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He'll just say he never meant that it would display it all at the same time
 
F

Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Mark said:
He'll just say he never meant that it would display it all at the same time


On separate partitions then?? :)
 
I did try a 2.2K resistor across those terminals (Fire Relay common #6
and N/O #8) earlier on when I was trying several configs to eliminate
the "Fire Bell Trouble" warning. It did not make a difference. I still
get the warning.

The system requires you to reset the trouble condition even after it is
fixed. That is to make sure the user is aware of any troubles, even
transient ones, that may occur. With the EOL resistor in place,
display the specific trouble message on the keypad and press [RESET].
All should be well.

Regards,
Robert L Bass
www.bassburglaralarms.com
 
Thanks All for your suggestions...

As it turned out the wrong default program was loaded. The install
manual suggests loading from address 3072, then at the top of pg.11
(for those who are following along at home) it states:

"12. ...the panel is now programmed with the burglary default program
and the system trouble 'NO PANEL PROGRAM' should be cleared."

the reality is that address 3072 loads the *fire* default program.
(3071 loads the burg default). This typo appears in the WI588A 7/93
that came with the board (new 2 weeks ago). I figured this out when
refering to the WI785B 10/96, which correctly mentions loading from
address 3071... prob solved no more a Fire Bell System Trouble.

....so I guess it was a case of installer error (my error) ... and I
guess Napco Panels aren't as difficult to program as people say...
(actually they still are!!!)

Anyway thanks again for your replies
 
S

secure15

Jan 1, 1970
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Thanks All for your suggestions...

As it turned out the wrong default program was loaded. The install
manual suggests loading from address 3072, then at the top of pg.11
(for those who are following along at home) it states:

"12. ...the panel is now programmed with the burglary default program
and the system trouble 'NO PANEL PROGRAM' should be cleared."

the reality is that address 3072 loads the *fire* default program.
(3071 loads the burg default). This typo appears in the WI588A 7/93
that came with the board (new 2 weeks ago). I figured this out when
refering to the WI785B 10/96, which correctly mentions loading from
address 3071... prob solved no more a Fire Bell System Trouble.

...so I guess it was a case of installer error (my error) ... and I
guess Napco Panels aren't as difficult to program as people say...
(actually they still are!!!)

Anyway thanks again for your replies
No- they're difficult for those who don't understand programming them.
 
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