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Na + H2O2 (50%) -> H2?

Discussion in 'Electronic Repair' started by ZHEN, Jul 18, 2004.

  1. David Harper

    David Harper Guest

    You're correct. It wasn't all unknowns. There was some science for
    them to build on.
    You do make many good points. Hydrogen isn't a viable option right
    now, nor will it be unless certain tech advances allow it to become
    practical. Like I said before, If I were a betting man, I'd place my
    money on something else other than a hydrogen.
    Dave
     
  2. Xen0gen

    Xen0gen Guest

    Anyone else seen the recent research about the PSII (photosynthesis
    II) protein. I would assume that mass production of this protein, or a
    simpler version tailored to our needs, could begin within the next
    decade. This would provide the most fuel efficient set up I can think
    of. You could have water stored in a tank (that's easy) and have a
    panel on the roof of the car similar to a solar panel filled with the
    protein and run water through it to get hydrogen. However the storage
    of the separated components is still an issue.

    here's a link to what I'm talking about:
    http://www.reactivereports.com/37/37_1.html
     
  3. See the original metalloradicals papers a few years back in Science.
    Also http://www.tinja.com/glib/energfun.pdf for a link.
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    Many thanks,

    Don Lancaster
    Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
    voice: (928)428-4073 email:

    Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com
     
  4. Doing anything with concentrated hydrogen peroxide is fundamentally
    insane.

    Even the X-prize candidates are not allowed to use it.


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    Many thanks,

    Don Lancaster
    Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
    voice: (928)428-4073 email:

    Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com
     
  5. David Harper

    David Harper Guest

    I'm not sure that statement is accurate.

    http://www.xprize.org/teams/rules_and_guidelines.php

    Armadillo Aerospace is a contender (soon not to be by tomorrow, if SS1
    does well), and they use H2O2 propulsion.

    Concentrated H2O2 is not child's play, but then again, neither is
    ammonium perchlorate, H2, or nitrous oxide,

    Dave
     
  6. Last I heard, no supplier was willing to sell hydrogen peroxide to
    X-prize candidates because of the liability.

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    Many thanks,

    Don Lancaster
    Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
    voice: (928)428-4073 email:

    Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com
     
  7. ....
    Don't be absurd. H2O2 is just too way low an energy to mass ratio to be any
    good except for some odd tasks like small positioning rockets where a lot of
    short pulses may be needed (and you don't want to use something really nasty
    like hydrazine), or like the steam rocket belt where you really don't want a
    high energy fuel and a very hot flame. The stuff is a lot easier to handle
    than LOX and LH2.
     
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