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The Great Attractor

Jan 1, 1970
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. It's an interesting idea though I don't confess to
understanding how you envisage it working.


Which proves that you are just as fucking lost as he is.
 
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Eric Gisse

Jan 1, 1970
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I am currently daydreaming about electricity that is direct current
[and has no frequency], extremely high-voltage, thin-channeled, and
extremely low-amperage and a PC that runs on such electricity.
This electricity is a max of only 1 watt. The amperage is a max of 1
electron per second. The width of the electric channel is only 1
electron thick, hence it is "thin-channeled". The voltage is high
enough that it can pass through air.
In addition, this electricity does not generate any perceptible heat
when passing through air. A computer running on this electricity never
gets hot enough to need any cooling equipment. I can touch the
electric parts of a device when on, without feeling any heat.
Since this electricity can pass through air without metal, it is
wireless.
Chips using this electricity can tolerate electrostatic discharge
without being damaged to any extent.
The PC running on this electricity is as fast as the world's current
best PC.
In addition, this PC does not contain or need any storage devices,
vacuum-tubes, glassfets, GaAsFETs, fans, cooling devices, capacitors,
resistors, magnetic parts, moving parts, semiconductors, discs, or
ROM.
All info in the PC is generated in real-time by the high-voltage, low-
amperage, thin-channeled current itself. So no storage devices are
necessary.
This PC does not need much metal since the electricity flows through
air in the PC.

Radium

It's a great pity that people can't read an unusual post without
immediately kicking and clawing at each other to be the first to type
'fuckwad' and 'moron'. There are too many cowards in the world today.
(I can imagine them sitting in their lounge rooms watching Star Trek
and screaming "Mass approaches infinity at the speed of light!
Fuckwads!!")

He is an idiot with a proven track record of stupid ideas. Typically
of the form [regular idea] + [make a quantity 30 orders of magnitude
bigger or smaller] + [complete inability to understand explanations
why his idea is impractical and/or stupid].
 
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contrex

Jan 1, 1970
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He is an idiot with a proven track record of stupid ideas. Typically
of the form [regular idea] + [make a quantity 30 orders of magnitude
bigger or smaller] + [complete inability to understand explanations
why his idea is impractical and/or stupid].

He has mentioned that he is autistic. There is an autistic person who
posts on another group I know of. He has a complete inability to
understand why his posts annoy people. Although rare, they can be
confusingly like trolls. You may encounter this guy soon...
 
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The Great Attractor

Jan 1, 1970
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He is an idiot with a proven track record of stupid ideas. Typically
of the form [regular idea] + [make a quantity 30 orders of magnitude
bigger or smaller] + [complete inability to understand explanations
why his idea is impractical and/or stupid].

He has mentioned that he is autistic. There is an autistic person who
posts on another group I know of. He has a complete inability to
understand why his posts annoy people. Although rare, they can be
confusingly like trolls. You may encounter this guy soon...
If that is the case, then he should place it in his sig so everyone
knows not to smack him around.
 
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contrex

Jan 1, 1970
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He is an idiot with a proven track record of stupid ideas. Typically
of the form [regular idea] + [make a quantity 30 orders of magnitude
bigger or smaller] + [complete inability to understand explanations
why his idea is impractical and/or stupid].
He has mentioned that he is autistic. There is an autistic person who
posts on another group I know of. He has a complete inability to
understand why his posts annoy people. Although rare, they can be
confusingly like trolls. You may encounter this guy soon...

If that is the case, then he should place it in his sig so everyone
knows not to smack him around.

I imagine Radium being like the bad guy in the film "Dirty Harry", you
know, kind of weaselly looking, with a demeanour that just makes you
want to smack him senseless with a bludgeon.
 
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Bob Kolker

Jan 1, 1970
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Radium said:
All info in the PC is generated in real-time by the high-voltage, low-
amperage, thin-channeled current itself. So no storage devices are
necessary.

This PC does not need much metal since the electricity flows through
air in the PC.

Do you have any factual basis for your PC Dream. Show us facts to
support the possibility. Not theories, mind you, but hard experimentally
obtained facts.

Bob Kolker
 
In sci.physics.electromag Radium said:
On May 12, 10:55 pm, [email protected] wrote:
Radium wrote:
Hi:
I am currently daydreaming about electricity that is direct current
[and has no frequency], extremely high-voltage, thin-channeled, and
extremely low-amperage and a PC that runs on such electricity.
What will you use as insulation, cerebro-fuckwad?
None necessary.

Clueless idiot.
What will you use as insulation inside the CPU, cerebro-fuckwad?
None necessary.

Clueless idiot.
Bremsstrahlung, cerebro-fuckwad.
Not at the small energy levels I'm talking about.
Energy and power are two different things.

Clueless idiot.
I already said the power is only 1 watt, not nearly enough for
Bremsstrahlung.

Energy and power are two different things.

Clueless idiot.
 
In sci.physics.electromag Tim Polmear said:
On 12 May 2007 12:02:17 -0700, Radium <[email protected]> wrote:

I don't know if your computer is practical, nor does it really matter.

Which makes you just as clueless.
Practicality never stopped Asimov filling all his robots with a
positronic brain which even the technicians of US Robotics couldn't
understand. It's an interesting idea though I don't confess to
understanding how you envisage it working.

Asimov wrote entertaining stories based on the supposition something
new was invented, not clueless drivel based on zero understanding of
the physical world.
 
| Hi:
|
| I am currently daydreaming about electricity that is direct current
| [and has no frequency], extremely high-voltage, thin-channeled, and
| extremely low-amperage and a PC that runs on such electricity.
|
| This electricity is a max of only 1 watt. The amperage is a max of 1
| electron per second. The width of the electric channel is only 1
| electron thick, hence it is "thin-channeled". The voltage is high
| enough that it can pass through air.
|
| In addition, this electricity does not generate any perceptible heat
| when passing through air. A computer running on this electricity never
| gets hot enough to need any cooling equipment. I can touch the
| electric parts of a device when on, without feeling any heat.
|
| Since this electricity can pass through air without metal, it is
| wireless.
|
| Chips using this electricity can tolerate electrostatic discharge
| without being damaged to any extent.
|
| The PC running on this electricity is as fast as the world's current
| best PC.
|
| In addition, this PC does not contain or need any storage devices,
| vacuum-tubes, glassfets, GaAsFETs, fans, cooling devices, capacitors,
| resistors, magnetic parts, moving parts, semiconductors, discs, or
| ROM.
|
| All info in the PC is generated in real-time by the high-voltage, low-
| amperage, thin-channeled current itself. So no storage devices are
| necessary.
|
| This PC does not need much metal since the electricity flows through
| air in the PC.

I suggest you would spend your time better by building a computer that
runs entirely on photons from light. Be sure it can handle a wide range
of photon energy levels (wavelengths). If you can fabricate picogates
that can operate entirely by holding a single photon in state and switch
the next photon based on a held photon, then you may well have achieved
the elusive 100% energy efficiency. Holding a photon would be the big
trick (they prefer to move very fast, so you will have to fool it and
run it around in a circle or bounce it back and forth).
 
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Radium

Jan 1, 1970
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I suggest you would spend your time better by building a computer that
runs entirely on photons from light. Be sure it can handle a wide range
of photon energy levels (wavelengths). If you can fabricate picogates
that can operate entirely by holding a single photon in state and switch
the next photon based on a held photon, then you may well have achieved
the elusive 100% energy efficiency. Holding a photon would be the big
trick (they prefer to move very fast, so you will have to fool it and
run it around in a circle or bounce it back and forth).

A photonic PC is another one of my dreams. My dream photonic PC runs
purely on 400 nm lasers [and other optical equipment - such as (but
not limited to) crystals, lenses, and mirrors, etc, etc.] and does not
require any electricity [other than the changes in electron energy
levels that are mathematically-required to produce any kind of light].
In addition, this PC does not use any LEDs, just lasers. This PC runs
on nanoscopic 400nm lasers that are powered by the main 400 nm laser
[power supply]. The ultimate power supply for this main laser is a
distant gigawatt 400 nm laser [at the power station] pumped by
deuterium-tritium fusion. The D-T fusion is initiated by another 400
nm laser pumped by, well, whatever the practical source is. Lasers
with sufficiently high-wattage and short-enough wavelengths can be
used to trigger thermonuclear reactions.
 
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The Ghost In The Machine

Jan 1, 1970
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In sci.physics.relativity, Radium
<[email protected]>
wrote
Hi:

I am currently daydreaming about electricity that is direct current
[and has no frequency], extremely high-voltage, thin-channeled, and
extremely low-amperage and a PC that runs on such electricity.

This electricity is a max of only 1 watt. The amperage is a max of 1
electron per second. The width of the electric channel is only 1
electron thick, hence it is "thin-channeled". The voltage is high
enough that it can pass through air.

In addition, this electricity does not generate any perceptible heat
when passing through air. A computer running on this electricity never
gets hot enough to need any cooling equipment. I can touch the
electric parts of a device when on, without feeling any heat.

Since this electricity can pass through air without metal, it is
wireless.

Chips using this electricity can tolerate electrostatic discharge
without being damaged to any extent.

The PC running on this electricity is as fast as the world's current
best PC.

In addition, this PC does not contain or need any storage devices,
vacuum-tubes, glassfets, GaAsFETs, fans, cooling devices, capacitors,
resistors, magnetic parts, moving parts, semiconductors, discs, or
ROM.

All info in the PC is generated in real-time by the high-voltage, low-
amperage, thin-channeled current itself. So no storage devices are
necessary.

This PC does not need much metal since the electricity flows through
air in the PC.


Regards,

Radium

An interesting dream, but how are you going to implement the equivalent
of a logic junction (NAND, NOR, inverter, flip/flop, etc.) in this
scheme?

In a standard MOSFET arrangement, a voltage on the gate opens a current
path; there is some capacitance on the gate, which slows down the
circuit, and some resistance in the current path, which heats it up.

A superconducting computer is possible -- the concept of a Josephson
junction has been bandied about for awhile; a current flows between
two weakly-coupled semiconductors. Some research into SQUIDS
has apparently been done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephson_junction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQUID
 
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The Great Attractor

Jan 1, 1970
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I suggest you would spend your time better by building a computer that
runs entirely on photons from light. Be sure it can handle a wide range
of photon energy levels (wavelengths). If you can fabricate picogates
that can operate entirely by holding a single photon in state and switch
the next photon based on a held photon, then you may well have achieved
the elusive 100% energy efficiency. Holding a photon would be the big
trick (they prefer to move very fast, so you will have to fool it and
run it around in a circle or bounce it back and forth).


Even a 4 bit light computer has the potential to be far faster than
anything we currently use.

There are physical devices required that make this goal very elusive,
however. You iterate one such obstacle.
 
| On 13 May 2007 14:24:43 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
|
|>I suggest you would spend your time better by building a computer that
|>runs entirely on photons from light. Be sure it can handle a wide range
|>of photon energy levels (wavelengths). If you can fabricate picogates
|>that can operate entirely by holding a single photon in state and switch
|>the next photon based on a held photon, then you may well have achieved
|>the elusive 100% energy efficiency. Holding a photon would be the big
|>trick (they prefer to move very fast, so you will have to fool it and
|>run it around in a circle or bounce it back and forth).
|
|
| Even a 4 bit light computer has the potential to be far faster than
| anything we currently use.

There is also such a thing as a 1-bit computer, where the computational
functions can be performed on various data sizes streamed in serially.
Two 1-bit-wide data streams can be added as they arrive if they come in
little-endian order. Many other functions of a CPU can still be made to
work on serialized 1-bit-wide data, as well. Then the parts count and
die space can be applied to making a faster serial rate instead of just
raw parallel bits. We see a lot of technology moving this way already,
such as RAMBUS, SATA, and PCI-Express.

I envision a future computer using things like the different refractive
index at different wavelengths to serialize and deserialize data within
a CPU.


| There are physical devices required that make this goal very elusive,
| however. You iterate one such obstacle.

Indeed.

Once we get to the point where we can assemble material by precise placement
of single atoms in 3 dimensions, I think we'll find ways to construct what
it takes to accomplish single photon level gates and other circuits.
 
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Radium

Jan 1, 1970
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Even a 4 bit light computer has the potential to be far faster than
anything we currently use.

My dream PC is at least 32-bit.
 
| On May 13, 2:58 pm, The Great Attractor
|
|> Even a 4 bit light computer has the potential to be far faster than
|> anything we currently use.
|
| My dream PC is at least 32-bit.

I guess a 256-bit CPU architecture would comply with that dream.
 
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