MP3 alternatives

[2007]

According to this MP3 law suites,

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/article2298300.ece

All other MP3 manufacturers and users, including Microsoft, Apple Computers,
are likely to be hit by the Alcatel-Lucent law suits.

Is there any other MP3 chip set that can avoid this law suit?

 

[Phil Allison]

"2007"

According to this MP3 law suites,

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/article2298300.ece

All other MP3 manufacturers and users, including Microsoft, Apple
Computers,
are likely to be hit by the Alcatel-Lucent law suits.

** AFAIK - the suit is not over use of the MP3 compression format as such.

Is there any other MP3 chip set that can avoid this law suit?

** MP3 is done in software in a PC.

Only MP3 decoding is a defined standard.

An MP3 encoder is open to creative (software) design.




........ Phil

 

[[email protected]]

According to this MP3 law suites,

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/article2298300.ece

All other MP3 manufacturers and users, including Microsoft, Apple Computers,
are likely to be hit by the Alcatel-Lucent law suits.

Is there any other MP3 chip set that can avoid this law suit?

http://www.vorbis.com/
A few of the "pods" support the format, so I gather there is a chip
that can be used to support it.

 

[Eeyore]

According to this MP3 law suites,

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/article2298300.ece

All other MP3 manufacturers and users, including Microsoft, Apple Computers,
are likely to be hit by the Alcatel-Lucent law suits.

Is there any other MP3 chip set that can avoid this law suit?

How about finding out what the law suit is about first ?

Graham

 

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According to this MP3 law suites,

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/article2298300.ece

All other MP3 manufacturers and users, including Microsoft, Apple Computers,
are likely to be hit by the Alcatel-Lucent law suits.

Is there any other MP3 chip set that can avoid this law suit?

The link you referenced does not support your statements.

What chip set? All other mp3 manufacturers and users?

 

[2007]

How about finding out what the law suit is about first ?

Graham

Can anyone tell us what is the key fact that this law suit is?

 

[Phil Allison]

"2007"

Can anyone tell us what is the key fact that this law suit is?

** Apparently it is over *unlicensed* use of the original MP3 software
patents that Alcatel-Lucent hold.

http://www.eagletribune.com/pubiz/local_story_050094603?keyword=secondarystory+page=0

http://blog.wired.com/music/2007/02/alcatellucents_.html


Very messy legal stuff.



....... Phil

 

[Eeyore]

** Apparently it is over *unlicensed* use of the original MP3 software
patents that Alcatel-Lucent hold.

http://www.eagletribune.com/pubiz/local_story_050094603?keyword=secondarystory+page=0

http://blog.wired.com/music/2007/02/alcatellucents_.html

Very messy legal stuff.

So Alcatel-Lucent are saying that they hold a patent on any audio codec using perceptual
coding.

Interesting.

Graham

 

[[email protected]]

So Alcatel-Lucent are saying that they hold a patent on any audio codec using perceptual
coding.

Interesting.

Hmm.. if they manage to defend it. Then it potentially covers a lot of
things including ogg vorbis. I thought the tech originated from
Fraunhofer.

 

[Eeyore]

Hmm.. if they manage to defend it. Then it potentially covers a lot of
things including ogg vorbis. I thought the tech originated from
Fraunhofer.

I thought it was Fraunhofer too. I suppose mp3s are just the Fraunhofer implementation of the
wider concept.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

According to this MP3 law suites,

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/article2298300.ece

All other MP3 manufacturers and users, including Microsoft, Apple Computers,
are likely to be hit by the Alcatel-Lucent law suits.

Is there any other MP3 chip set that can avoid this law suit?

Now that it's clear what it's about....

No. It's the underlying concept that's patented not any specific chip or
algorithm.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

I thought it was Fraunhofer too. I suppose mp3s are just the Fraunhofer implementation of the
wider concept.

Just a follow-up thought.

Both Sony's Minidisc and Philips' now obsolete DCC used perceptual coding techniques. Both of
those predated the date of Alcatel-Lucent's patent.

Graham

 

[Homer J Simpson]

According to this MP3 law suit,

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/article2298300.ece

All other MP3 manufacturers and users, including Microsoft, Apple
Computers,
are likely to be hit by the Alcatel-Lucent law suits.

How? Isn't MP3 an algorithm and thus unpatentable?

Anyone for OGG?


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[Eeyore]

How? Isn't MP3 an algorithm and thus unpatentable?

Anyone for OGG?

Wikipedia says mp3 is an ISO/IEC standard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mp3

And it predates the Alcatel-Lucent patent.

Weird.

Graham

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Wikipedia says mp3 is an ISO/IEC standard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mp3

And it predates the Alcatel-Lucent patent.

Shades of Disney trying to copyright the output of the Brothers Grimm.

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[Jan Panteltje]

Just a follow-up thought.

Both Sony's Minidisc and Philips' now obsolete DCC used perceptual coding techniques. Both of
those predated the date of Alcatel-Lucent's patent.

Graham

Many 'patent troll' companies now pop up, with very general patents.
MS just lost a multi billion dollar claim of mp3, altough they did
pay 15 M to Fraunhofer.
I am not pro-MS, but to pester them like that should be made illegal.
We have to modify the patent system to kill these patent trolls.
Say tomorrow somebody comes with the patent of converting electricity to sound.
Then every body will have to pay yet again.

 

[joseph2k]

Now that it's clear what it's about....

No. It's the underlying concept that's patented not any specific chip or
algorithm.

Graham

Incorrect. Patents are about implementations, the underlying math and
physics is not patentable. Look up the statutes involved.

 

[Eeyore]

Incorrect. Patents are about implementations, the underlying math and
physics is not patentable. Look up the statutes involved.

I suggest you look at US software patents.

The EU has wisely rejected same btw.

And stop buggering about with the follow-ups you nasty piece of useless slime !

Graham

 

[joseph2k]

Wikipedia says mp3 is an ISO/IEC standard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mp3

And it predates the Alcatel-Lucent patent.

Weird.

Graham

I read that and looked as a few links and found this:

http://www.mp3licensing.com/patents/

Please note that patents in Europe generally run 20 years from dte of
application. Some of the basic patents are about to drop like flies in a
chloroform cloud. And a majority of them die within 5 years.

It would be interesting to really see what the caims and the expiration
dates of the various patents are. Both the Thompson and the
Alcatel-Lucent.

 

[Eeyore]

I read that and looked as a few links and found this:

http://www.mp3licensing.com/patents/

Please note that patents in Europe generally run 20 years from dte of
application. Some of the basic patents are about to drop like flies in a
chloroform cloud. And a majority of them die within 5 years.

It would be interesting to really see what the caims and the expiration
dates of the various patents are. Both the Thompson and the
Alcatel-Lucent.

The relevant patent at issue is an American patent and I've read that
Alacatel-Lucent played games in order to get it a retrospectively earlier date
of issue that it was originally given !

Graham