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Discussion in 'Electronic Repair' started by N Cook, May 10, 2007.

  1. Arfa Daily

    Arfa Daily Guest

    Absolutely. See my reply to Graham above for a link to the story.

    Arfa
     
  2. Eeyore

    Eeyore Guest

    The last I heard it wasn't going to happen.

    It's utterly crazy to ban incandesacents per se anyway. They have valid and important uses. As I pointed out
    earlier it would also ban high efficiency halogens which is barking mad.

    No surpise there though if politicians are involved. They're all clueless on technical and scientific matters.

    I'd expect Philips to kill this one off if necessary.

    Graham
     
  3. Arfa Daily

    Arfa Daily Guest

    We can but hope ... I guess it depends on how Philips see the business model
    and the potential for ' jumping on the bandwagon / gravy train ' as it were.
    There could be potentially quite a 'political' coup to be had by a company
    of such global proportions suddenly switching its company ethos to fully
    embrace the green issue, to say nothing of huge profits for its
    shareholders, many of whom are probably outright or at least closet, greens,
    and likewise clueless on the finer points of the technology. After all, a
    light is just a light isn't it ? And if it's "modern" and saves the planet
    and saves me money, then that's all good isn't it ... ? We shall see ...

    Arfa
     
  4. Smitty Two

    Smitty Two Guest

    In the U.S., we used to have scientific advisors to the administration.
    They were listened to and respected, and their expertise guided
    political decisions. Now, those people are puppets. Political decisions
    are made first, then scientists are found to rubber stamp them.
    Uncooperative dissenters are fired.
     
  5. Eeyore

    Eeyore Guest

    It seems to be the way worldwide.

    I've come to the conclusion that politicians need to be seriously brought back
    down to earth. Our countries are democracies in name only and often more like
    party political dictatorships.

    Graham
     
  6. Jamie

    Jamie Guest

    That's ok, they're plenty of them walking around our streets here
    these days! :)
     
  7. Arfa Daily

    Arfa Daily Guest

    I was reading an interesting dissertation on this very subject recently, and
    it seems that a lot of it is down to the fact that we have many 'career'
    politicians now, rather than responsible grownups who have served an
    apprenticeship in life, and worked and lived and loved, before deciding to
    go into politics to try to better everyone's lot. These career types have
    been to university and taken a degree in political science or some such
    other 'useless' discipline, and then have gone straight into the political
    arena without ever having any experience of life at the sharp end. The only
    thing that they have been prepared for by their studies, is the creation of
    half arsed schemes based on half arsed theoretical models, that have no
    basis in reality.

    Seemed like a very valid insight to me. The waters have also now been
    muddied by politically 'global' issues such as terrorism and climate change,
    which all parties want to subscribe to, and which only serves to stagnate
    effective opposition, and squeeze all policy in one direction. Once this
    starts to happen, then it becomes very easy to find yourself in a one way
    street to totalitarianism and complete government control of all aspects of
    our lives. I sincerely believe that this is what we are beginning to see
    now, and that worries me more than a little ...

    Arfa
     
  8. Jerry Peters

    Jerry Peters Guest

    Yes! Then we have all of the "activist" groups which raise money by
    frightening people with all sorts of dire predictions. The current one
    of course being "global warming" or as they're now calling it "climate
    change". As if the climate never, ever changes. After reading some of
    the alleged "climate change" MBE, I've decided that climate "science"
    belongs in the same category as the social "sciences". One builds a
    model, then "validates" it using statistical methods, and this
    "proves" something. Of course the data is specially chosen to fit the
    hypothesis.

    Jerry
     
  9. Arfa Daily

    Arfa Daily Guest

    Absolutely Jerry. See if you can get hands on a copy of that TV prog that I
    told the others about. Made by UK TV company "Channel 4" and called 'The
    Great Global Warming Swindle'. I understand that it is available on YouTube.
    Essential viewing on the subject.

    Arfa
     
  10. Smitty Two

    Smitty Two Guest

    Absolutely Jerry. See if you can get hands on a copy of that TV prog that I
    told the others about. Made by UK TV company "Channel 4" and called 'The
    Great Global Warming Swindle'. I understand that it is available on YouTube.
    Essential viewing on the subject.

    Arfa[/QUOTE]

    Gentlemen, I'm going to dissent on this one. Global warming is
    absolutely real, and poses absolutely catastrophic consequences. The
    alarmists may have cried wolf one too many times in the past, but this
    one is rock solid. There is no more serious debate about it than there
    is about smoking causing cancer. If you don't believe it, it's only
    because you haven't looked into it to a sufficient degree.
     
  11. Eeyore

    Eeyore Guest

    It's not without certain significant flaws itself though, not least as a result
    of oversimplifying the issues too just as the AGWists do.

    However it's clear to me that global warming is way over-exaggerated with Al
    Gore claiming that the Greenland ice sheet will melt in 100 years whilst real
    scientists put the timescale of that happening with modest temp rises well over
    a thousand years.

    In the meantime a European satellite survey showed the huge interior of
    Greenland's ice sheet to be *GROWING* ! Only the edges are melting it seems.

    Graham
     
  12. Arfa Daily

    Arfa Daily Guest

    Gentlemen, I'm going to dissent on this one. Global warming is
    absolutely real, and poses absolutely catastrophic consequences. The
    alarmists may have cried wolf one too many times in the past, but this
    one is rock solid. There is no more serious debate about it than there
    is about smoking causing cancer. If you don't believe it, it's only
    because you haven't looked into it to a sufficient degree.[/QUOTE]

    I don't think that anyone is disputing that the weather patterns are
    changing, or that the temperature is heading in an upwards direction. The
    issue is as to just what man is doing, if anything, to cause it. For
    instance, it has been much warmer in the Northern hemisphere than it is now,
    in the comparitive recent past. Take 2000 years ago when the Roman army
    occupied the British Isles. They grew grapes at significantly northern
    lattitudes. You couldn't do that now. 2000 years ago, man was doing nothing
    to even *potentially* alter weather patterns on the planet. As I pointed out
    before in the thread, only 35 years ago, we were being told that we were
    entering a mini ice age. Where has that gone now ? Just try to get a look at
    that TV programme. Yes, of course, I accept that it has been made to put the
    'alternative' position in a mildly forceful and entertaining way, but
    never-the-less, I think that it contains some very valuable insights into
    what is really going on, put forward by reputable scientists who are
    prepared to put their professional necks on the line by dissenting, and not
    in the hysterical way that seems to be the norm for this subject, now that
    it has gained political credence and status.

    Arfa

    Arfa
     
  13. The planet is warming but I dont believe it is entirely due to
    mankinds activities. I think that it is part of a naturally occurring
    long period cycle which is solar system wide. The climate on Mars is
    also warming at the present time, scientists believe that it is
    emerging from an ice age. Obviously not down to anything we are doing
    on Earth.
     
  14. Guest

    Yes, but it's bullsh*t.

    http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/cfl.asp

    And often used as an apocyphal tale of "THEM" watching over "US" to
    steal our freedoms and put fluoride in our drinking water...

    Give me a break!


    Peter Wieck
    Wyncote, PA
     
  15. Jerry Peters

    Jerry Peters Guest

    There are also indications that Saturn & Jupiter are receiving more
    solar energy.
    I find it _very_ interesting that there are scientists trying to find
    an alternative explanation for Martian warming - any explanation,
    since if it's caused by the sun, that kind of knocks a very large hole
    in their anthropomorphic global warming hypothesis.

    Jerry
     
  16. Jerry Peters

    Jerry Peters Guest

    Gentlemen, I'm going to dissent on this one. Global warming is
    absolutely real, and poses absolutely catastrophic consequences. The
    alarmists may have cried wolf one too many times in the past, but this
    one is rock solid. There is no more serious debate about it than there
    is about smoking causing cancer. If you don't believe it, it's only
    because you haven't looked into it to a sufficient degree.[/QUOTE]

    Sorry, but I have to disagree. There's just too much evidence that the
    way the global warming research is being conducted is "I know mankind
    is causing it, now all I have to do is prove it". I especially note
    that when a researcher says that "solar forcing" (the sun) can't
    account for the observed temperature increase, he does not add:
    according to my model. It's just assumed that the model must be
    correct.
    Now ask if any of the models have been validated. That is, we know
    what conditions are now, if we use one of the models and go back to
    say 1920, and attempt to run the mdoel forward from there, does it
    predict _today_?
    And of course all of the journalists and politicians have jumped on GW
    as another chance to implement environmental controls and regulations.
    Now explain to me what most of these politicians and journalists know
    about science.
    Anthropomorphic GW isn't even a theory at this point, it's a
    hypothesis.

    Jerry
     
  17. Eeyore

    Eeyore Guest

    Another big knock for the AGW case is that the ice on Greenland is actually
    getting *thicker* in the middle.

    Graham
     
  18. Arfa Daily

    Arfa Daily Guest

    Very well put Jerry.

    Arfa
     
  19. Arfa Daily

    Arfa Daily Guest

    Based on the article in that link, how can you say that ? Yes, OK, the
    amount of mercury is not hazardous to the point of needing a toxic waste
    cleanup team after a single breakage, but the article never stops discussing
    the hazardous nature of the CFLs, their toxic contents, and the special
    facilities to dispose of them safely. ' Do not use a vacuum cleaner' it
    says. 'Secure the broken bits in a plastic bag and seal up' it says. 'Open
    the windows' it says. If that makes the safety angle bullshit in comparison
    to incandescents, then you and I have very different understandings of that
    word ...

    Arfa
     
  20. Guest

    Mpffffff.... The BS is in the requirement for a HazMat team. Not
    "normal precautions". As it happens, you are in far more danger from
    mouse droppings (Hanta Virus) and their mishandling, some of the salts
    used in the coating inside incandescent lamps (phosphor salts amongst
    others), beryllium coatings on HID lamps... even the toxic build up of
    Triclosan in mothers' milk, insecticides and many other materials and
    chemicals commonly found in the house.

    So, if something contains a potentially toxic chemical or substance,
    one simply does not lean into the punch and spread it all over
    creation in ignorance.

    One needs to learn that the opposite of "Black" is not necessarily
    "White"... but simply "not black". William of Occam figured this out
    in the 14th century, it still has not gotten through to the general
    population. We live in a world where polar opposites are almost life-
    necessity, and one is either "with" or "against" on any given point,
    process, belief or system, where anything but certainty is viewed with
    deep suspicion... and >your< necessities are madness and mine are
    truth and reason. It ain't necessarily so.

    Peter Wieck
    Wyncote, PA
     
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