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Adrian Jansen

Jan 1, 1970
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As if 'super cables' werent enough in the analog domain:

http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp

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Regards,

Adrian Jansen adrianjansen at internode dot on dot net
Design Engineer J & K Micro Systems
Microcomputer solutions for industrial control
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As if 'super cables' werent enough in the analog domain:

http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp

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Adrian Jansen           adrianjansen at internode dot on dot net
Design Engineer         J & K Micro Systems
Microcomputer solutions for industrial control
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So what's your complaint? If you didn't spend the 500 bucks on a
cable, you'd probably just blow it on something frivolous, like a
decent pair of speakers, or shoes for the kids!
 
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ehsjr

Jan 1, 1970
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Adrian said:
As if 'super cables' werent enough in the analog domain:

http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp

Ok. So if they sell these, will somebody design a nuance filter?
It says they will "bring out the nuances in digital audio
reproduction". Audiophools want _audio_ NOT *nuances*.
Or at least so I am told. Maybe they like oldances better,
I duuno.

Must be a marketing opportunity there.

Ed
 
What do you suppose this means?:

"Additionally, signal directional markings are provided for optimum
signal transfer."
Was I asleep in class, or what?

I think it must be Denon's way of saying that they make this cable to
extract money from the kind of nitwits who buy super-cable, but
sensible customers shouldn't bother.
 
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Adrian Jansen

Jan 1, 1970
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Martin said:
"Hand crimped by virgins"
was missing from the blurb

"Hand crimped by Xena"

I'll buy it



martin

Nah ! "Hand crimped by Xena" costs an extra $999.00

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Regards,

Adrian Jansen adrianjansen at internode dot on dot net
Design Engineer J & K Micro Systems
Microcomputer solutions for industrial control
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What do you suppose this means?:

"Additionally, signal directional markings are provided for optimum
signal transfer."
Was I asleep in class, or what?

-mpm

A possibility is the shield only goes to connector, hence the
directionality. The idea is not to have the shield conduct current,
which some say makes the shield less effective. Hardly important with
digital signals. To be clear, ground is established with one of the
inner wires.
 
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Jan 1, 1970
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RFI-EMI-GUY said:
"Attention to detail when building this cable was used by employing high
quality insulation and woven jacketing to reduce vibration and to add
durability."

Just what I need, cables that "don't vibrate". Is this a problem?

Well, playing Devil's Advocate...
Sound causes the cable to vibrate and this causes changes in capacitance
which induces jitter in the digital signal at the frequency of the sound.
etc.

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Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff
 
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Jan 1, 1970
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ehsjr said:
Ok. So if they sell these, will somebody design a nuance filter?
It says they will "bring out the nuances in digital audio
reproduction". Audiophools want _audio_ NOT *nuances*.
Or at least so I am told. Maybe they like oldances better,
I duuno.

I certainly don't want 'nuances' when I'm listening to Rammstein.

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Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff
 
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Vladimir Vassilevsky

Jan 1, 1970
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Joel said:
"What do you suppose this means?:

"Additionally, signal directional markings are provided for optimum
signal transfer."
Was I asleep in class, or what?"

Directional markings have long been a staple of "super high-end" audiophool
cables. The idea is that they're aligned with (or maybe opposite, who knows?)
the way the copper was pulled, and therefore there's a "preferred" direction
of signal propagation.

It's all bollocks, of course.

There is one thing that I don't understand: with so many audiophiles,
why there are no videophiles? There should be much more applications for
magic in video compared to the audio.


Vladimir Vassilevsky
DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant
http://www.abvolt.com
 
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Vladimir Vassilevsky

Jan 1, 1970
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May be this is because just about anyone can get reasonable amplifier by
putting 5 transistors together. It is not so simple with video.

Isn't that what HDTV addresses?

No, it is not. HDTV is the mass market technology, whereas the
videophile stuff should be only for the true connoisseurs who can really
understand and appreciate.

Vladimir Vassilevsky
DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant
http://www.abvolt.com
 
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Martin Griffith

Jan 1, 1970
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Jan 1, 1970
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D said:
It's gotta be the same distortion that the musician listened to in the
studio :p
Audiophools won't accept distorted distortion. :p
The only solution: Pay big $$$$ to fly in the guitarist of Rammstein
to listen to the audio system in question and ask, "So...does this
sound the same?"

What amuses me is people who want to hear the 'pure sound' of a
performance. After its been processed to **** in the studio then crammed
on a CD.

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Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Adrian said:
As if 'super cables' werent enough in the analog domain:

http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp

Oh that.

It also appears/appeared on the UK site. When I get a second I'm
considering reporting it to the Trading Standards Office. A previous
check with the Advertsing Standards Agency indicates it was outside their
direct remit since it wasn't a direct 'advert' for sale.

Oh bum. And I can't find their email to me now.

Anyway, it needs to be taken down.

Graham
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Dirk said:
It *might* have an effect if the digital signal was going straight to a
DAC without being re-clocked. The chances of that, however, are
negligible in modern equipment.

Exactly so.

Graham
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Dirk said:
Well, playing Devil's Advocate...
Sound causes the cable to vibrate and this causes changes in capacitance
which induces jitter in the digital signal at the frequency of the sound.
etc.

Minutely maybe but that's wny there's there a clever PLL on the receiver with
filtering.

Graham
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Boris said:
What a bunch low life.

As a DENON owner from when they brough out some of the best CD players in 1988
and got several awards I truly despair.

I'm inclined to complain to theit Chief Executive on principle alone that they
could prostitute an excellent brand.

It's a Cat 5 cable isn't it ?

Graham
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Martin said:
"Hand crimped by virgins"
was missing from the blurb

"Hand crimped by Xena"

I'll buy it

You forgot the bit about being made only under a full moon.

Graham
 
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