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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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12ga Romex to all door switches.



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**Crash Gordon**






| Doug wrote:
| > | >>
| >> I try to pull spares to everything. But even if you dont, a motion
| >> with a tamper needs 6 unless you common up the tamper, which I
| >> consider a last resort. 6 to a keypad is a no-brainer. 22/12 is real
| >> handy in residential when you're trying to conceal a lot of circuits
| >> , or going from one end of the house to the other, or pulling some
| >> protective loops out to a garage. I sent a request for a quote to
| >> Contractors wire and cable, we'll see. Probably have to take out a
| >> second on the house. js
| >>
| >
| > You could use the DEOL option for the motions and have the tamper
| > open the loop that way you don't have to use up a zone for the tamper
| > or use the -ve as a common for the zone & tamper. With the cost of
| > zone expanders so low, it just doesn't seem as necessary to pull a
| > multi-conductor as it used to. Anyway I don't have room on my van for
| > rolls of multi conductor.
| >
| > Doug
|
| Not being a residential guy, you wouldn't understand. Just so you know, we
| don't run emt in houses, so the cabling has to be neat.
| You need a bigger van.
| --
| js
|
|
 
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alarman

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
Yes it is special order but I just order it a couple times a year and
stock it. It's compact ( ie. smaller than 22ga) thousand foot boxes.
The difference in resistance is insignificant for normal residential
and light commercial use as keypad runs and to ease wire wrangling
multiple four conductor wires, on long runs. I've used it for years
for anything under or around 100 feet runs without ever having one
problem resistance wise. The only reason 24 gauge isn't recommended is
because it's easy to not strip it properly with miller strippers and
nick the wire. But other than that and contrary to the common myth,
the resistance of 24 guage wire for normal burglar alarm use is quite
acceptable even for power to PIR's and such. If you've got concerns
about it, just figure the wire resistance versus voltage drop over
less than 100 foot runs, and you'll see what I mean.

Just ordered some so I've got the number at hand.
Superior Essex 18-341-33
6X24 UTP Cat3
CMR GY 1KFT PB

I've used cat 3 3 pair in the past for alarms, and I know it works OK. I
just like the multi cable.
Still haven't heard back from Contractors wire and cable. Why do these
outfits go to the trouble to advertise if they aren't going to follow up the
responses? It baffles me.
 
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bit eimer

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi all,

Just wanted to thank all those who responded - even if sometimes off-topic
:^). Some great ideas to follow-up on.
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert said:
We did that all the time. Once it even *caused* a problem. A lady (and
I use the term loosely in this case) insisted my technicians had not
finished the job although every sensor was installed and working
properly. I said I was sure it was compete so she had me look inside
the panel. There were two extra cables labeled "Spare A - Attic" and
"Spare B - Garage". She demanded to know why they were not connected to
anything. I explained that the installers pulled extra cables in case
we might need to add something later. She didn't believe that anyone
would actually do *extra* work and not charge, even after I explained
that the idea was to save trouble for us in the future.


Actually, this "installation fairy tale" serves to showcase your poor
salesmanship. I would think that "pulling extra pairs" would have been
something you would have "used" to demonstrate how much more
"professional" you were over "the other guys". I'll bet it was the
"Armani suit" that threw her off, though... that and the Ford Pinto you
drove up with. Tsk!!!
 
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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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great idear

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**Crash Gordon**






| Crash Gordon wrote:
| > 12ga Romex to all door switches.
|
| What do you use for keypads, SER cable?
| --
| js
|
|
 
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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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The one with the 200w quartz backlighting?! Yah tis cool.

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**Crash Gordon**






| Crash Gordon wrote:
| > I like the Binford 9000 myself.
| >
|
|
| Have you seen their new keypad?? It's awesome!!!
 
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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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try the windy city guys



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**Crash Gordon**






| Jim wrote:
| >>
| >> That's not available either, at least ?not readily. Seems like
| >> anything but 22/4 and cat 5 is special order.
| >>
| >> --
| >> js
| >
| > Yes it is special order but I just order it a couple times a year and
| > stock it. It's compact ( ie. smaller than 22ga) thousand foot boxes.
| > The difference in resistance is insignificant for normal residential
| > and light commercial use as keypad runs and to ease wire wrangling
| > multiple four conductor wires, on long runs. I've used it for years
| > for anything under or around 100 feet runs without ever having one
| > problem resistance wise. The only reason 24 gauge isn't recommended is
| > because it's easy to not strip it properly with miller strippers and
| > nick the wire. But other than that and contrary to the common myth,
| > the resistance of 24 guage wire for normal burglar alarm use is quite
| > acceptable even for power to PIR's and such. If you've got concerns
| > about it, just figure the wire resistance versus voltage drop over
| > less than 100 foot runs, and you'll see what I mean.
| >
| > Just ordered some so I've got the number at hand.
| > Superior Essex 18-341-33
| > 6X24 UTP Cat3
| > CMR GY 1KFT PB
|
| I've used cat 3 3 pair in the past for alarms, and I know it works OK. I
| just like the multi cable.
| Still haven't heard back from Contractors wire and cable. Why do these
| outfits go to the trouble to advertise if they aren't going to follow up
the
| responses? It baffles me.
|
| --
|
| js
|
|
 
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alarman

Jan 1, 1970
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Crash said:
try the windy city guys

Same deal there. I contacted them via the web, no response. A month later I
get a generic ad pack (ISC related, I think) to which I responded. The guy I
spoke with had his "assistant" fax me a quote for the stuff I asked about.
Trouble is, the fax lists only one item, and none of the items we discussed
on the phone. No call yet to follow up.
 
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