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Damian

Jan 1, 1970
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Rod Speed said:
Even the most stupid Labor caucus member
realises that they are gunna be flushed down
the tubes of history in their own personal seat.

When they realise that, they will try ANYTHING.

Like bringing Rudd back?! They seem to be getting desperate now.
Even Bill Shorten is rumoured to may have defected from Jillard camp.
Its been true for a long time now.




Don’t believe that last.



He'd decided to get out,

That's bullshit. You know that.
He wanted another go at being the PM and make sure his work (no)choices to
be the future of industry policy.
He would've been most certainly lost regardless of electoral boundary
reassignment.
He's dead now. Forget about him. He's the chairman of the 'Universal
conservative party', which is meant for retired pollies with dementia.
No body gives him a job anymore that matters to public. Just light a candle
for him. That's all we can do now.
Only good thing he's done was kicking the nuts of the gun nutters in the
country. A damn good job for sure.
The rest is a mess.
Focus on Tony the Abbot. He's the only one in the liberal party with a
direct connection between his and Howard's head.
He's your only hope, Jim.

the boundary changes made that
seat unwinnable by the Libs. That’s all that happened.

That's bullshit. Libs have won it in the last election quite comfortably.
 
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Rod Speed

Jan 1, 1970
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AFAIK, such high Li-Ion battery technology hasn't been introduced to
mobile phones yet.

Been there for a long time now. Even the Nokia 6310i had it
and it’s a FUCKING old stupidphone now.
They are just being used for high end electric cars AFAIK.

Fraid not. Almost universal in phones now, and laptops too.
In time, they may phase out lead acid batteries.

I don’t it with normal car batterys.
Lead acids are powerful and long lasting, yet as heavy as an elephant.

Not necessarily with the smaller sealed ones.
It's time to let them go I reckon.

Just not viable to do that with car batterys alone.
Downside of Li-Ion is that they are pretty capable TNT bombs in right
conditions.

They don’t actually explode, just catch fire.
You wouldn't wanna be inside an electric car, or anywhere near it, that
being caught fire.

Its no worse than a petrol car.
Having said that, gasoline cars have the gasoline tank, which is as bad as
Li-Ion or even worse I reckon?!!

Much worse in fact.
The word 'memory effect' may be a loose term.

It basically refers to the effect where you don’t get the full capacity
on a charge unless you discharge it completely occasionally.
But, some NiCD and NiMH batteries do get sluggish after continuous use
without fully charging them.

Not the good NiMH batterys with a well designed charger.
Then I managed to restore to acceptable levels by discharging them for
hours, slowly, using the discharge function on a charger.
Then recharge/discharge couple more times.
You may be right about the good high quality NiMH.
But, where do you get such ones?!! Can you suggest brands, sellers?!!!!

Eneloops are fine. Dick Smith has them at half price occasionally
in their email offers.
You are being delusional.
Nope.

Is pope catholic?!! :))

Just another child molester.
 
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Rod Speed

Jan 1, 1970
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Like bringing Rudd back?!

Time will tell.

I doubt it given the utter fiasco we saw the last time,
but in the very unlikely event that the bulk of the caucus
want him, he would certainly accept being drafted.

I just cant see the bulk of the caucus being that stupid.

Those who have some confidence that they will keep
their own seats appear to be doing things for the best
result for them after they lose the next election.
They seem to be getting desperate now. Even Bill Shorten is rumoured to
may have defected from Jillard camp.

But doesn’t appear to have the balls to see if anyone
will vote for him instead.

Bet he's waiting till Juliar loses the election as comprehsively
as NSW Labor lost theirs and then stand for leadership when
Juliar gets flushed where she belongs and Swan has lost his seat.
That's bullshit.

Nope. He just didn’t see that that fool costello had
a better change of not losing the election for the govt.

He was right on that.
You know that.
Nope.

He wanted another go at being the PM

Nope. He certainly wanted to see his govt
returned, but planned to quit once it was.
and make sure his work (no)choices to be the future of industry policy.

He didn’t have to stay in parliament to see
that, just get his govt re-elected again.
He would've been most certainly lost regardless of electoral boundary
reassignment.
Wrong.

He's dead now. Forget about him.

No thanks. He leaves Juliar for dead even now on what he got done.
He's the chairman of the 'Universal conservative party', which is meant
for retired pollies with dementia.

Even sillier.
No body gives him a job anymore that matters to public. Just light a
candle for him. That's all we can do now.

He leaves Hawke for dead.
Only good thing he's done was kicking the nuts of the gun nutters in the
country. A damn good job for sure.

That was the stupidest thing he ever did.
The rest is a mess.

Nope, leaves anything the dud or Juliar has done for dead.
Focus on Tony the Abbot. He's the only one in the liberal party with a
direct connection between his and Howard's head.
He's your only hope, Jim.

Anything would be a vast improvement on the dud and Juliar.
That's bullshit. Libs have won it in the last election quite comfortably.

That’s just plain wrong.
 
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Damian

Jan 1, 1970
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Rod Speed said:
Been there for a long time now. Even the Nokia 6310i had it
and it’s a FUCKING old stupidphone now.

I meant the latest Li-Ion ones in high end electric cars.
They are still proto-type kind of thing.
Not the traditional Li-Ion ones.
They are meant to replace Lead acid in time.
I'm yet to see that.
Fraid not. Almost universal in phones now, and laptops too.

I meant the latest high tech Li-Ion ones. They are just being used in high
end electric cars.
Pretty expensive, but very effective, according to the manufacturer.
They are meant to replace the lead acid batteries in time. Dunno about that.
We have to wait and see.
I don’t it with normal car batterys.


Not necessarily with the smaller sealed ones.


Just not viable to do that with car batterys alone.


They don’t actually explode, just catch fire.


Its no worse than a petrol car.


Much worse in fact.



It basically refers to the effect where you don’t get the full capacity
on a charge unless you discharge it completely occasionally.


Not the good NiMH batterys with a well designed charger.


Eneloops are fine. Dick Smith has them at half price occasionally
in their email offers.

Ok. I usually go for ALDI ones. I will try them next time.
Just another child molester.

Come on! You know he isn't. It's that he's hopeless at stopping it.
And the church has done a good job hiding them for past thirty-fourty years.
I don't think they will be doing it anymore, they can't afford to.
 
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Rod Speed

Jan 1, 1970
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Damian said:
I meant the latest Li-Ion ones in high end electric cars.
They are still proto-type kind of thing.
Not the traditional Li-Ion ones.
They are meant to replace Lead acid in time.
I'm yet to see that.


I meant the latest high tech Li-Ion ones. They are just being used in high
end electric cars.
Pretty expensive, but very effective, according to the manufacturer.
They are meant to replace the lead acid batteries in time. Dunno about
that.
We have to wait and see.


Ok. I usually go for ALDI ones. I will try them next time.
Come on! You know he isn't.

I know nothing of the sort. He was a school teacher for a long time.
It's that he's hopeless at stopping it.

Because he did it himself.
And the church has done a good job hiding them for past thirty-fourty
years.

And with what the popes have got up to in spades.
I don't think they will be doing it anymore,

They do anyway.
they can't afford to.

Pel hasn’t even had to flog the palace in Rome that he stays in.
 
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Frank Slootweg

Jan 1, 1970
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Damian said:
Rod Speed said:
Frank Slootweg said:
[...]
NiMH batteries do seem to have the memory effect.

No,

Here we go again. You broke my balls over this debate last time. You
didn't convince me any facts, and I didn't manage to convince you
either.
Whether there is such effect or not, I know this much, I successfully
restored weak voltage NiMH and NiCd batteries by discharging them
fullly and recharging them again.
I had to do it couple or times or more though.
Since, you are a chemistry guru, I'm sure you know more about this
stuff.

Actually, you are both right. Rod is right with his "No", because NiMH
batteries do indeed not have a memeory effect. But you are also right
with the experience/process which you describe.

Here's an example reference which explains it:

<http://www.greenbatteries.com/nibafa.html#NiMH memory>

["I'm Feely Lucky" result of Google search on "nimh rechargeable
batteries memory [effect]", i.e. not *really* rocket science! :-(]

"Do NiMH batteries have memory effect?

Technically, NiMH batteries do not have a "memory effect", but strictly
speaking neither do NiCds. However NiMH batteries can experience
voltage depletion, also called voltage depression, similar to that of
NiCd batteries, but the effect is normally less noticeable. To
completely eliminate the possibility of NiMH batteries suffering any
voltage depletion effect manufacturers recommend an occasional,
complete discharge of NiMH batteries followed by a full recharge. NiMH
batteries can also be damaged by overcharge and improper storage (see
the NiCd section immediately above this one). Most users of NiMH
batteries don't have to be concerned with this voltage depletion
effect. But if you use a device say a flashlight, radio, or digital
camera for only a short time every day and then charge the batteries
every night, you will need to let the NiMH (or NiCd) batteries run down
occasionally."

That?s just plain wrong. My cordless phones all get used
like that and never ever get run down even occasionally.

My torch doesn?t either.
[...]

You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge
the
battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.

No.

Well, as the above reference explains, and as your, mine and other
people's experience confirms, Rod's quite wrong on this one.

Nope.

Like I said, I ain't capable of convincing you. You are the one with the
Chemistry experties. :)

Roddles is wrong. His 'counter' is meaningless. He basically says "I
haven't had problem X, so problem X doesn't exist!". That kind of
'logic' might 'work' in his parallel universe, in the real world we
don't accept such bollocks.
 
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Frank Slootweg

Jan 1, 1970
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Damian said:
Frank Slootweg said:
Damian said:
news:[email protected]... [...]
NiMH batteries do seem to have the memory effect.

No,

Here we go again. You broke my balls over this debate last time. You
didn't convince me any facts, and I didn't manage to convince you
either.
Whether there is such effect or not, I know this much, I successfully
restored weak voltage NiMH and NiCd batteries by discharging them
fullly and recharging them again.
I had to do it couple or times or more though.
Since, you are a chemistry guru, I'm sure you know more about this
stuff.

Actually, you are both right. Rod is right with his "No", because NiMH
batteries do indeed not have a memeory effect. But you are also right
with the experience/process which you describe.

Ok. Then we can suggest the 'memory effect' is a crude name for the voltage
depletion/depression effect?!
Since NiCD/NiMH batteries don't have memories, we can use a better term for
it as above?!! :)
Agreed.
Here's an example reference which explains it:

<http://www.greenbatteries.com/nibafa.html#NiMH memory>

["I'm Feely Lucky" result of Google search on "nimh rechargeable
batteries memory [effect]", i.e. not *really* rocket science! :-(]

"Do NiMH batteries have memory effect?

Technically, NiMH batteries do not have a "memory effect", but strictly
speaking neither do NiCds. However NiMH batteries can experience
voltage depletion, also called voltage depression, similar to that of
NiCd batteries, but the effect is normally less noticeable. To
completely eliminate the possibility of NiMH batteries suffering any
voltage depletion effect manufacturers recommend an occasional,
complete discharge of NiMH batteries followed by a full recharge. NiMH
batteries can also be damaged by overcharge and improper storage (see
the NiCd section immediately above this one). Most users of NiMH
batteries don't have to be concerned with this voltage depletion
effect. But if you use a device say a flashlight, radio, or digital
camera for only a short time every day and then charge the batteries
every night, you will need to let the NiMH (or NiCd) batteries run down
occasionally."

[...]
You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge the
battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.

No.

Well, as the above reference explains, and as your, mine and other
people's experience confirms, Rod's quite wrong on this one.

[...]
 
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Rod Speed

Jan 1, 1970
0
Frank Slootweg said:
Damian said:
Rod Speed said:
[...]
NiMH batteries do seem to have the memory effect.

No,

Here we go again. You broke my balls over this debate last time. You
didn't convince me any facts, and I didn't manage to convince you
either.
Whether there is such effect or not, I know this much, I successfully
restored weak voltage NiMH and NiCd batteries by discharging them
fullly and recharging them again.
I had to do it couple or times or more though.
Since, you are a chemistry guru, I'm sure you know more about this
stuff.

Actually, you are both right. Rod is right with his "No", because
NiMH
batteries do indeed not have a memeory effect. But you are also right
with the experience/process which you describe.

Here's an example reference which explains it:

<http://www.greenbatteries.com/nibafa.html#NiMH memory>

["I'm Feely Lucky" result of Google search on "nimh rechargeable
batteries memory [effect]", i.e. not *really* rocket science! :-(]

"Do NiMH batteries have memory effect?

Technically, NiMH batteries do not have a "memory effect", but
strictly
speaking neither do NiCds. However NiMH batteries can experience
voltage depletion, also called voltage depression, similar to that of
NiCd batteries, but the effect is normally less noticeable. To
completely eliminate the possibility of NiMH batteries suffering any
voltage depletion effect manufacturers recommend an occasional,
complete discharge of NiMH batteries followed by a full recharge. NiMH
batteries can also be damaged by overcharge and improper storage (see
the NiCd section immediately above this one). Most users of NiMH
batteries don't have to be concerned with this voltage depletion
effect. But if you use a device say a flashlight, radio, or digital
camera for only a short time every day and then charge the batteries
every night, you will need to let the NiMH (or NiCd) batteries run
down
occasionally."

That?s just plain wrong. My cordless phones all get used
like that and never ever get run down even occasionally.

My torch doesn?t either.

[...]

You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge
the
battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.

No.

Well, as the above reference explains, and as your, mine and other
people's experience confirms, Rod's quite wrong on this one.

Nope.

Like I said, I ain't capable of convincing you. You are the one with the
Chemistry experties. :)
Roddles is wrong. His 'counter' is meaningless.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

That’s the evidence that there is no memory effect with NiMH, fuckwit.
 
F

Frank Slootweg

Jan 1, 1970
0
Rod Speed said:
Frank Slootweg said:
Damian said:
[...]
NiMH batteries do seem to have the memory effect.

No,

Here we go again. You broke my balls over this debate last time. You
didn't convince me any facts, and I didn't manage to convince you
either.
Whether there is such effect or not, I know this much, I successfully
restored weak voltage NiMH and NiCd batteries by discharging them
fullly and recharging them again.
I had to do it couple or times or more though.
Since, you are a chemistry guru, I'm sure you know more about this
stuff.

Actually, you are both right. Rod is right with his "No", because
NiMH
batteries do indeed not have a memeory effect. But you are also right
with the experience/process which you describe.

Here's an example reference which explains it:

<http://www.greenbatteries.com/nibafa.html#NiMH memory>

["I'm Feely Lucky" result of Google search on "nimh rechargeable
batteries memory [effect]", i.e. not *really* rocket science! :-(]

"Do NiMH batteries have memory effect?

Technically, NiMH batteries do not have a "memory effect", but
strictly
speaking neither do NiCds. However NiMH batteries can experience
voltage depletion, also called voltage depression, similar to that of
NiCd batteries, but the effect is normally less noticeable. To
completely eliminate the possibility of NiMH batteries suffering any
voltage depletion effect manufacturers recommend an occasional,
complete discharge of NiMH batteries followed by a full recharge. NiMH
batteries can also be damaged by overcharge and improper storage (see
the NiCd section immediately above this one). Most users of NiMH
batteries don't have to be concerned with this voltage depletion
effect. But if you use a device say a flashlight, radio, or digital
camera for only a short time every day and then charge the batteries
every night, you will need to let the NiMH (or NiCd) batteries run
down
occasionally."

That?s just plain wrong. My cordless phones all get used
like that and never ever get run down even occasionally.

My torch doesn?t either.

[...]

You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to discharge
the
battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.

No.

Well, as the above reference explains, and as your, mine and other
people's experience confirms, Rod's quite wrong on this one.

Nope.

Like I said, I ain't capable of convincing you. You are the one with the
Chemistry experties. :)
Roddles is wrong. His 'counter' is meaningless.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

That?s the evidence that there is no memory effect with NiMH, fuckwit.

I would think that a 'chemistry expert' would know the difference
between the blue and pink pills, but apparently this particular one
doesn't.
 
R

Rod Speed

Jan 1, 1970
0
Frank Slootweg said:
Rod Speed said:
Frank Slootweg said:
[...]
NiMH batteries do seem to have the memory effect.

No,

Here we go again. You broke my balls over this debate last time.
You
didn't convince me any facts, and I didn't manage to convince you
either.
Whether there is such effect or not, I know this much, I
successfully
restored weak voltage NiMH and NiCd batteries by discharging them
fullly and recharging them again.
I had to do it couple or times or more though.
Since, you are a chemistry guru, I'm sure you know more about this
stuff.

Actually, you are both right. Rod is right with his "No", because
NiMH
batteries do indeed not have a memeory effect. But you are also
right
with the experience/process which you describe.

Here's an example reference which explains it:

<http://www.greenbatteries.com/nibafa.html#NiMH memory>

["I'm Feely Lucky" result of Google search on "nimh rechargeable
batteries memory [effect]", i.e. not *really* rocket science! :-(]

"Do NiMH batteries have memory effect?

Technically, NiMH batteries do not have a "memory effect", but
strictly
speaking neither do NiCds. However NiMH batteries can experience
voltage depletion, also called voltage depression, similar to that
of
NiCd batteries, but the effect is normally less noticeable. To
completely eliminate the possibility of NiMH batteries suffering
any
voltage depletion effect manufacturers recommend an occasional,
complete discharge of NiMH batteries followed by a full recharge.
NiMH
batteries can also be damaged by overcharge and improper storage
(see
the NiCd section immediately above this one). Most users of NiMH
batteries don't have to be concerned with this voltage depletion
effect. But if you use a device say a flashlight, radio, or
digital
camera for only a short time every day and then charge the
batteries
every night, you will need to let the NiMH (or NiCd) batteries run
down
occasionally."

That?s just plain wrong. My cordless phones all get used
like that and never ever get run down even occasionally.

My torch doesn?t either.

[...]

You can benefit from having a charger that allows you to
discharge
the
battery and recharge back to it's full capacity.

No.

Well, as the above reference explains, and as your, mine and other
people's experience confirms, Rod's quite wrong on this one.

Nope.

Like I said, I ain't capable of convincing you. You are the one with
the
Chemistry experties. :)
Roddles is wrong. His 'counter' is meaningless.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

That?s the evidence that there is no memory effect with NiMH, fuckwit.

I would think that a 'chemistry expert' would know the difference
between the blue and pink pills, but apparently this particular one
doesn't.

Like I said, you never ever could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
 
Been there for a long time now. Even the Nokia 6310i had it

and it�s a FUCKING old stupidphone now.






Fraid not. Almost universal in phones now, and laptops too.






I don�t it with normal car batterys.






Not necessarily with the smaller sealed ones.






Just not viable to do that with car batterys alone.







They don�t actually explode, just catch fire.







Its no worse than a petrol car.







Much worse in fact.






It basically refers to the effect where you don�t get the full capacity

on a charge unless you discharge it completely occasionally.







Not the good NiMH batterys with a well designed charger.










Eneloops are fine. Dick Smith has them at half price occasionally

in their email offers.
http://www.dicksmith.com.au/eneloop-tones-rechargeable-batteries



Just another child molester.
 
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Rod Speed

Jan 1, 1970
0
Damian said:
I meant the latest Li-Ion ones in high end electric cars.
They are still proto-type kind of thing.
Not the traditional Li-Ion ones.
They are meant to replace Lead acid in time.
I'm yet to see that.


I meant the latest high tech Li-Ion ones. They are just being used in high
end electric cars.
Pretty expensive, but very effective, according to the manufacturer.
They are meant to replace the lead acid batteries in time. Dunno about
that.
We have to wait and see.


Ok. I usually go for ALDI ones. I will try them next time.
http://www.dicksmith.com.au/eneloop-tones-rechargeable-batteries

Come on! You know he isn't. It's that he's hopeless at stopping it.
And the church has done a good job hiding them for past thirty-fourty
years.
I don't think they will be doing it anymore, they can't afford to.
 
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