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Discussion in 'Electronic Design' started by [email protected], Sep 17, 2007.

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  1. Guest

    Hi!

    Do you guys know how to measure the current flowing in our telehone
    lines using a multimeter? I really need it badly.

    What's the difference between AC Current and DC Current? What will I
    use in measuring the current in phone lines?

    I'm doing my research regarding the "Electrocution through phone
    lines." Have you heard of that urban legend?

    Thanks a lot.
     
  2. PhattyMo

    PhattyMo Guest

    Urban legend eh?
    Well,okay,It's probably NOT fatal,but I can assure you it hurts like
    Hell when you're fiddling with the phone wires,and someone just happens
    to call at the very second that you are touching the phone line,and are
    also (unintentionally) well grounded.(wearing only socks on wet
    concrete-bad move!) -Voice Of Experience.
     
  3. If your specific topic is electrocution via telephone lines then ..... only
    the AC ring voltage should be considered. as it can be as high as 90 Volts
    AC.

    So do a search on Telephone line ring voltages.


    This does not include lighting strikes.

    Joe
     
  4. Tam/WB2TT

    Tam/WB2TT Guest

    The peak voltage will be 48 + (90 SQRT(2)). The ~90 volts will be at 20 Hz.

    Tam
     
  5. HapticZ

    HapticZ Guest

    you arent going to try to sap enough juice from the telco to power your
    house are you??
     
  6. JeffM

    JeffM Guest

    No. Obviously, no one here has ever used a meter.
    (An oscilloscope would be more useful.)
    Before asking elementary-school questions,
    you should use Google's search engine.
    Google can help you find a basic electricity tutorial.
    AFTER that, If you have SPECIFIC questions,
    they belong in sci.electronics.basics.
    Research: Asking someone else to give you all the answers.
    Battery voltage can be as high as 56VDC.
    Ringing voltage can be as high as 135Vrms.
    Peak voltage could be as high as 245V.
     
  7. DaveM

    DaveM Guest

    Unless you have a current probe for that oscilloscope, it would be the wrong
    instrument to measure current in a phone line; a scope is normally a
    voltage-reading instrument. Also, the instrument used to measure phone line
    current needs to be totally isolated from the AC line and safety ground.
    Otherwise, the line becomes unbalanced and the phones don't work.
    If you do have a scope with a current probe, you're in business. You just have
    to make sure the combo is calibrated for meaningful measurements. Also, make
    sure the instrument ground (chassis) is isolated from the power line safety
    ground. To use a current probe, just clip the probe's sensing loop around one
    side of the phone line.

    For measuring the DC loop current, a (digital or analog) multimeter having a DC
    current range of 10ma - 50 ma. For measuring the ring current, a (digital or
    analog) multimeter having an AC current range of 100ma - 200ma. Frequency
    response of the AC current ranges is a factor because the ringing signal
    frequency is 16Hz to 20Hz in most areas. Just insert the meter in series with
    one side of the phone line (doesn't matter which side) and switch to a range
    that gives you a reasonable reading.

    The difference between DC current and AC current (is that redundant?) is that DC
    flows in only one direction, while AC alternates direction (hence, the term
    Alternating Current) periodically.

    --
    Dave M
    MasonDG44 at comcast dot net (Just substitute the appropriate characters in the
    address)

    "In theory, there isn't any difference between theory and practice. In
    practice, there is." - Yogi Berra
     
  8. Robert Baer

    Robert Baer Guest

    Obviously you do not know much (if anything) about electricity or
    simple electronics.
    Therefore, please win the Darwin Award by licking all of the power
    outlets.
     
  9. mpm

    mpm Guest

    There's a show called "Mythbusters" where they approached this very
    question and as I recall, their results suggested it was indeed
    possible to be electrocuted through a phone line by lightning. Not
    likely, but possible under the right conditions.

    Google the show and maybe they have that episode online?

    As for ringing voltage (ie, no lightning strike), I also recall
    reading about a documented fatality from a single D-cell battery!!
    (1.5VDC) in Compliance Engineering magazine many years ago (1998-
    ish?).

    It only takes about 100mA or so, under the right conditions, to stop
    the heart. You have to work at it (skin resistance, etc...), but if
    you can do it with 1.5VDC, it stands to reason 90VAC (or 90 volts
    pulsating DC to be more percise - although by the time it reaches your
    phone the edges are worn off quite a bit..), will do the job too.

    Finally, when I was younger, I once played around with a Secode rotary
    encoder. You know, like the old rotary telephone dials? Only this
    one still had the batteries in it. Like an idiot, I was somehow
    connected to the leads when I decided to "dial" it and got the crap
    shocked out of me!! And yes, in complete accordance with Murphy's
    law, I had in fact dialed the "0" for maximum effect.

    I immediately set it down, recovered my senses (what little I had
    left), and opened the test set to find two old, but apparently well-
    charged 45-volt batteries. They looked like 9-volts, only longer.
    Lesson learned: Don't assume it's safe, just because it's not plugged
    in!

    About a month later, I got a refresher in that exact subject while
    repairing a foot switch on a Pace vacuum extractor - where the
    schematic clearly indicated no line voltage on the foot switch......
    Yeah, right.

    -mpm
     
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