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  1. Skybuck

    Skybuck Guest

    Hello,

    I am definetly not the only one with probably a dead BIOS chip for the
    Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe motherboard. (Confirmed by third party bios
    flashing service)

    Let's recap:

    1. Asus sells a motherboard with a bios version which does not
    completely support 4 GB.

    2. People with 4 GB of ram want to use all the ram.

    3. People with the sound problems think maybe a BIOS flash will fix
    it.

    4. So many people flash the bios.

    5. Flashing 1 million transistors (BIOS size) needs a success rate of
    beyond %99.9999.

    6. If 1 out of a million transistors fails to flash properly, problems
    could and will occur. Very strange problems will occur.

    So to me it doesn't seem strange many people are buying BIOS chips.

    I can also understand an American sueing these sort of companies of
    delivering incomplete/unfinished products.

    Especially if a bios flash could kill the product.

    Bye,
    Skybuck.
     
  2. default

    default Guest

    Still looking for someone else to blame for you inept troubleshooting
    skills or lack of ability?

    Flash memory works very well - count the number of transistors in a
    computer system and could make a case for computers not working too.

    Statement 5 implies flashing is dangerous, Statement 6 reinforces that
    idea, statements 7,8,9 ditto. So you have to ask yourself why do it?

    Still working on that static electricity, stray electricity problem?

    A BIOS has a tiny flash memory - nothing like an MP3 or Video Ipod or
    all flash imbedded computer - flash memory works very well in those
    things.

    Flashing a BIOS is a very risky business and is only done under the
    most dire of circumstances and then only with a backup plan. (Then
    think twice and wait a few months). Asus has some of the best
    flashing and recovery techniques in the industry.

    You probably blundered in and did it without thoroughly researching
    it, saving the original file or knowing how to replace it.

    Perhaps you should consider another line of work. Or better yet, how
    about putting together a "reality" show based on your exploits - then
    you could pay someone who understands what they are doing to fix it.
     
  3. Skybuck

    Skybuck Guest

    So you agree as well that flashing bioses is very dangerous.

    The more reason for asus to make sure it's not required.

    Yet the opposite is true, otherwise no full 4GB support.

    Bye,
    Skybuck.
     
  4. default

    default Guest

    Yes I agree flashing BIOS is very dangerous. But most of the modern
    Asus boards have a nearly foolproof flashing scheme and bad flash
    recovery. Asus will be my next motherboard in all likelihood, for
    that reason.

    My nephew has several programming and IT systems degrees and I watched
    him turn his computer into scrap after flashing the BIOS. It was
    cheaper to replace the mobo rather than get a third party bios chip.

    One of the things you do when choosing the mobo is to see if it
    supports what you want to use and has flexibility for what you might
    add later. Flash the BIOS only when you don't mind replacing the
    motherboard.

    If the motherboard doesn't support something they claim it does, then
    you have a gripe with the manufacturer.

    I'm still running an old 1998 computer, with a drive card added, and
    damn near every thing else replaced or upgraded including the
    processor. It is at the end of its rope now - can't make it any
    faster than it already is. I flashed the BIOS one time - it was a
    long involved procedure making a bootable recovery disc, backing up
    the software, and I after I downloaded the firmware, I used a checksum
    to verify it. One power line failure or glitch during the flash and
    it would have been all over.
     
  5. Bhagat Gurtu

    Bhagat Gurtu Guest

    Lots of people needlessly reflash their BIOS chips. The main reason it
    can fail is because the program is interrupted or access to the data is
    interrupted. This is why it is safest flash a BIOS from bootable utility
    which doesn't run Windows.

    Up to you to do your research and read the release notes and BIOS specs of the
    motherboard prior to purchase. You would know which revision supported
    various hardware features. There is nothing unusual in field reconfiguring
    a motherboard with a BIOS update.
    Which OS are you using?
    Only fuckwits like you.
    They are all just schooling minnows.
    The complexity of your CPU transcends your BIOS memory. How often does
    your CPU invent itself new instructions at runtime?

    Thee is no law which prevents morons from flashing their BIOSes because it
    is a cool thing to do.
    You understand nothing.
     
  6. Skybuck

    Skybuck Guest

    Let's recap:
    You are definetly pushing it.

    It wouldn't have mattered.

    Time of purchase: 27-march-2006.

    Time of known bios issues: 27-february-2006.

    I still got a motherboard with an older bios from 21 december 2005 !

    See even the reseller didn't know and didn't about the motherboard !
    What ya think man ? ;) 64 bit os ofcourse.
    Oh no, many people do that.

    Creative labs and others even advice trying to update the bios to see
    if that helps.

    Sure diss all the other people.

    What no reaction ? :)
    What does this have to do with anything ?
    Maybe there should be !
    You talk shit.

    Bye,
    Skybuck ;)
     
  7. Robert Baer

    Robert Baer Guest

    Perhaps you should learn the diference between beans and duckeggs.
    Your diatribe about flashing is in that category, and i suggest you
    drop it.
    A BIOS chip will *NOT* allow anyone to use 4Gbytes of RAM.

    Microsoft has a very clunky and bloated program that purports to
    support use of 4Gbytes of RAM,and they do not support it.
    Other than that, one cannot use 4Gbytes of RAM (with MS OSes).
    The best one can do (and i have tried this) is to have 3-4 Gbytes
    installed, use Win2K (the leanest MS OS that will recognize over 2Gbytes
    of RAM), and write your special programs that eat memory (like my
    multidigit multiply/divide programs).
    The result is, that *most* of the OS will "live" above the first
    2Gbytes, allowing use of almost 2Gbytes for your program and data.

    AFAIK there is *no* CONSUMER program that uses over one Gbyte of RAM,
    because damn few consumers have over 512Mbytes; the programs would be
    glacial with all of the disk swapping to create virtual memory (and i
    know this from experience with regard to those multidigit programs).
    Now, there may be special 3D programs (say for making cartoons or
    games) but those are not for consumers, the pricing is nosebleed for
    most people, and the system requirements would demand 2-3Gbytes for
    reasonable speed.

    So we are back to beans and duckeggs; you have no need for even
    2Gbytes of RAM.
     
  8. don't look

    don't look Guest

    Crap.I've Flashed 100 bios' on several brands of motherboard in the last 20
    years. Not a single one ever went wrong.I blame 99% of bad flashes on user
    ignorance.
     
  9. krw

    krw Guest

    news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "don't look" <don't
    > says...
    Exactly. That's why it's dangerous, particularly for Skyduck.

    stupid >> ignorant
     
  10. krw

    krw Guest

    Too bad. > 1 year old. Buy an new one.
    Not unusual.
    No reason for them to.
    Wrong. You didn't read the flash instructions, did you?
    Many fuckwits, like you.
    Of course they do. Blame everyone and anyone. Sooner or later
    something will happen and you'll go away. Creative is the *worst*,
    BTW.
    Skyfuck included.
    Why do you think you deserve one?
    Think, boy.
    You *must* be a Europeon. You want government to issue a flashing
    license? I don't think the general public would understand.
    You speak...
     
  11. Skybuck

    Skybuck Guest

    You a PC builder ?

    How would you know if they failed if you shipped them to your users ?!

    The boards might as well have died a few months later because possible
    of the flash chip failing ! ;)

    Did you think about that ? :)

    Bye,
    Skybuck.
     
  12. Skybuck

    Skybuck Guest

    2. People with 4 GB of ram want to use all the ram.
    Clearify yourself ? Or be gone fuckwit.

    I flashed in dos dumbass !

    Bye,
    Skybuck.
     
  13. Skybuck

    Skybuck Guest

    You're a dumbass.

    1. I have used 4 GB successfully with Windows XP X64 Pro. (64 bit os).

    What the **** do you think microsoft is using for their huge website ?

    2. Dark Messiahs already benefits from 4 GB of RAM.

    Bye,
    Skybuck.
     
  14. * don't look:
    Exactly. At work I regularly update the BIOS of around 120 workstations
    and 60 Office PC, and that all over the Network. Not one flash failure
    so far. And I also update my computers at home as soon as a new BIOS
    comes out. Never ever went something wrong (I only had one flash
    failing, and that was a DLT drive that already had a failure before).

    And even ofor the very unlikely event that something does go wrong
    during flash, all HP systems at work and at home have BIOS recovery
    functions. Heck, even my 10 year old Kayak XU has recovery functions.

    As you say the reason for bad flashes is probably 99% user ignorance and
    maybe 1% something else (i.e. power outtage, crap hardware, hardware
    failure, corrupt BIOS file but even that should be avoided by good BIOS
    flash programs).

    The retard SkyFuck is the living proof that a computer is indeed nothing
    for everyone and that it requires more than the IQ of an average office
    plant to handle it. With all his stupid excessive crossposting he also
    left a very long and remarkable track of incompetence, ingnorance and
    stupidity. groups.google.com is your friend, SkyFuck ;-)

    Benjamin
     
  15. * krw:
    Well, he's Dutch. Please don't mix the other parts of Europe with the
    Netherlands

    Benjamin from Germany (a country suffering from the very bad and
    ignorant driving habits of people with "NL" on their license plate)
     
  16. * Robert Baer:
    Yes and no. The BIOS can prevent anyone using the area below the first
    4GB of memory if it doesn't support the new memory scheme (often called
    "memory hoisting" or something like that in BIOS setup).
    What should that be? FYI: the only Microsoft OSes that support more than
    4GB of RAM and that aren't supported any more are Windows 2000
    Advanced/Enterprise server, Windowsxp 64bit Edition and Windowsxp 64bit
    Edition Version 2003 which both are for Itanium.

    Windowsxp x64 Edition, Windows Server 2003 x64 Edition and Windows Vista
    x64 (all for AMD64 and intel EM64T/intel 64 processors) off course are
    fully supported as are the 32bit Versions of Windows Server 2003 that
    support more than 4GB by using PAE.

    And you yet have to show what you mean with "clunky". I was using the
    IA64 versions of WIndowsxp, I'm using Windowsxp x64 Edition since it
    came out and now I also use Vista x64. Besides the latter with it's own
    Vista-specific oddities I see nothing "clunky" on them, also not on
    Windows Server 2003.
    BS. You can't use 4GB of RAM with *any* 32bit OS that doesn't use tricks
    like PAE to circumvent this limitation.

    FYI: the reason for that has nothing to do with Windows. It's a hardware
    limitation. Traditionally, the I/O address range is located below the
    first 4GB of memory. Depending on what and how much devices like PCI
    cards are on the system a certain amount (usually somewhere between
    ~384-700MB) gets reserved by the BIOS for I/O. This I/O space is not
    available for the operating system.

    Somewhat modern 32bit OSes like Linux or Windows Server still can use
    memory over 4GB by using a page switching technology (PAE) which is slow
    but works.

    Current 64bit PCs usually have a BIOS that shifts the I/O address range
    over the upper physical memory allowing a 64bit OS to use the complete
    physical RAM. But that requires a BIOS that supports the new addressing
    scheme, and it requires a 64bit OS because only these use flat adressing.
    BS. The leanest OS that recognize over 2GB or RAM is WindowsNT 3.1

    Besides that, Windows 2000 is EOL'd which means it won't get fixed any
    more and already starts lack of being supported by programs and drivers.
    And it takes smoking of a whole lot of shit to believe that Windows 2000
    is in any way faster than Windowsxp.
    Where do you live, behind the moon? Even entry level PCs already come
    with more than 512MB of memory, most users probably already have 1GB or
    more, and gamers usually already own 2GB.

    And yes, there are lots of programs using more than 1GB. Even standard
    programs like IE, Firefox, Thunderbird, Office etc. do. Current and even
    not so current games like Oblivion happily use all of your 2GB of memory.

    Welcome to 2007.
    This might be true for your (very limited and outdated) little world.
    Unfortunately reality is different.

    Beans and duckeggs.

    Benjamin
     
  17. Haha!
    Now, I'm almost ashamed of being Dutch!

    You are right about the driving habbits though :)

    Cheers!
    Marcel
     
  18. Oh my God, you don't even know there is a checksum?

    I am beginning to understand your problem.
    Everything you say is just a tiny bit inaccurate.

    You ARE a genius.
    You must have invented a real Einstein-Rosen-Podolsky bridge.
    Now you've used it to go here and there and you THOUGHT
    you've come back to your own reality.

    But wait, things are not 100% the same!
    Eproms can be flashed without errors,
    Asus does make great hardware,
    stray electricity is a very very rare and minor problem,
    and powerswitches generally work in this reality.

    Sorry dude but ehm.. you are in the wrong world!

    Good luck in finding a way back to yours.
    Marcel
     
  19. krw

    krw Guest

    I was plenty clear for anyone with an operating neuron. Though, I
    guess that leaves you and Dimbulb out.
    That's *NOT* what you said.
    I hope mommy takes her PC back.
     

  20. Its too bad she can't take her egg back. :(


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    Michael A. Terrell
    Central Florida
     
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