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Discussion in 'General Electronics Discussion' started by nyancatvsghosthead, Sep 10, 2012.

  1. nyancatvsghosthead

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    Here's what I wrote down in my notes for MAKE ex 5. I haven't memorized it yet, but I am thinking of making flashcards for it. Here are my notes:

    -When zinc reacts chemically with an acid, it can liberate electrons

    -Electrons want to leave without other electrons joining them (aka mutual repulsion)

    -When a wire connects the zinc electrode to another electrode with an shortage of electrons, the electrons move from one atom to the next to go from zinc electrode and run through wire

    -more electrons reduce previous ones in the process until zinc-oxide reaction grinds to a halt

    -primary battery = a battery ready to generate electricity the second there is a connection between its terminals

    -when raw metal in electrodes is used up, the battery dies

    -emitting electrons = to send electronics

    -Negative electrons flow from positive to negative

    - 1 amp = 1 coulomb/second

    -coulomb = unit of electrical potential

    -1 newton = the force required to accelerate 1 kilogram by 1 meter per sec

    -1 joule = a force of newton acting through 1 meter

    -chemical reactions inside batteries change pure metals into metallic compounds which enables power
    -this process can be reversed

    -2 batteries in series deliver twice as much voltage

    -2 batteries in parallel deliver twice as much current

    Also, does the potential difference determine how long the electricity will flow until both sides of the battery are equal? I'm just asking because I happened to think of it writing this. :)

    I'm going to make flash cards out of these so I wanted to know if they were okay. Thanks for the replies. :D
     
  2. (*steve*)

    (*steve*) ¡sǝpodᴉʇuɐ ǝɥʇ ɹɐǝɥd Moderator

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    That's pretty good.

    I think there are a few improvements we can make...

    I'll go along with that.
    This one is a bit tricky. You'll have to explain where you got this from. As it stands, it needs improvement, I'm just not sure what way it needs to go.
    That seems OK
    The first part of this is a bit messy (where do you get this from) but the second is essentially correct. When there is no more material left to react, the reaction cannot continue and the battery is indeed flat.
    Hmmm... primary batteries are manufactured in a charged state and normally cannot be recharged. It is designed to be used once (or until flat) and then discarded
    it's not always raw metal, although it may well be.
    Not completely sure what you mean here. If you mean that the electrons which are forced out of a battery are sent along wires to power electronic devices, then yes, but it's not so much the electrons themselves as it is the force which pushes them that we're interested in.
    They do! (outside of the battery)
    yep
    it's actually a unit of charge, essentially the equivalent of a number of electrons
    yep
    it is also 1 watt expended for a period of a second (Watts are Joules per second.)
    generally speaking they change one substance into another in a way that releases energy. A metal to a metal oxide is one of these -- essentially you're burning metal, and burning releases energy.
    often, but not always. Turning a metal oxide back to a metal requires the addition of energy. Inside a battery you may not be able to do this. The ability to do this is generally a marker of what makes a cell primary or secondary.
    they do
    that too!
    not really. in your examples above, the batteries would go flat after the same amount of energy was taken out. Energy is power time time. if we want to do it in the same time we need to keep the power the same. And since power is voltage times current, we need to draw half the current when the batteries are in series as we do when the two of them are in parallel. In this case, you can draw a higher current for longer from the LOWER voltage collection of batteries. This is (one reason) why you place batteries in parallel, to allow you do draw more current.
    Maybe we can get you some slightly better wording. See what others have to say.
     
  3. KJ6EAD

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  4. (*steve*)

    (*steve*) ¡sǝpodᴉʇuɐ ǝɥʇ ɹɐǝɥd Moderator

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    You are, of course, exactly right. I'll edit for my brain fart

    Hang on, I said "Watts are Joules per second". "Joules are Watt seconds" is an equivalent statement.

    J = W.s

    => J/s = W.s/s .... (for s <> 0)
    => J/s = W
     
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  5. KJ6EAD

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    Nice try with sophistry. It's more a matter of convention and definition than of mathematical manipulation anyway.
     
  6. (*steve*)

    (*steve*) ¡sǝpodᴉʇuɐ ǝɥʇ ɹɐǝɥd Moderator

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    I'm not sure what you mean. A Watt *IS* a Joule per second.

    See here:

    Anyway, I'm sinister, not sophist.
     
  7. davenn

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    no, not an accurate definition, as that would include rechargables
    In addition to what steve said -- the other standard meaning for primary is in the term

    Primary Cell like your 1.5V cell size AAA, AA, C, D or those big 1.5 volt ones used in the old telephone systems etc

    they are not BATTERIES a Battery is a collection of CELLS
    its just that everyone has got use to calling AAA, AA etc cells batteries but technically its incorrect

    your small 9V batteries ARE batteries if you open a dead one up, you will find its made of of a number of cells. A car battery is also a real battery as it is also a collection of cells



    no not really, infact probably very rarely. The battery/cell dies - goes flat when the chemical reaction can no longer be sustained. Take a AA cell, it has only 1 metal electrode ... the zinc casing ... when the battery is flat, that zinc casing is still very intact
    definately NOT used up
    the other electrode is a carbon rod, it is centred down the middle of the cell and the area between it and the zinc case electrode is filled with a chemical compound

    cheers
    Dave
     
  8. KJ6EAD

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    You're right. I've only seen it described the other way (Joule = Watt second).
     
  9. wingnut

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    I really like the whole logical flow diagram, connection of thoughts that you have going on.

    The only things I would question are...

    As I understand it, conventional current (holes) flow from positive to negative, but "negative electrons" flow from negative to positive (outside the cell). This makes logical sense since why would negative electrons want to flow away from the positive (electrode) since they are attracted to the positive?

    At the zinc electrode (not zinc-oxide??) zinc undergoes oxidation.
    Zn ---> Zn++ plus 2e-........... which leaves the outer zinc casing negative.

    At the other electrode (cathode- usually a carbon rod surrounded by manganese dioxide) reduction occurs, leaving the carbon net positive.

    I don't understand what you meant by "more electrons reduce previous ones in the process" - what were the "more electrons" and what were the "previous ones" and for that matter, what was "the process"? This just needs a little clarification. Why I say that is because electrons cannot reduce electrons. Reduction is defined as where some substance gains electrons. Electrons cannot gain electrons since where would they put these :)

    But a great collection of important concepts well worth committing to flash cards.
     
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