Magnet motor?

I have a problem with my magnet motor design.
It is based on a wheel continually rolling down a sloping disk.
The disk is tilted up by repelling magnets, creating a pushing wave
directly behind the wheel.

The magnets are repelling each other okay, but will NOT slide easily
past each other.

Is there a way to fix the problem?

Thanks for your time.

Mike Flanagan UK

Please see the model here:
http://motor-stuff.tripod.com

 

Perpetual motion machine?

Oh, how ideas persist.

The easy answer is that it can't be done, by virtue of conservation of
energy. The hard answer would involve really analyzing all the forces
involved, to discover that before a magnet can push, you have to pull a
bit (or something like that).

Where'd you get the erector set?

--
Tim Wescott
Control systems and communications consulting
http://www.wescottdesign.com

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"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" by Tim Wescott
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Perpetual motion requires 29 magnets on your disc, you only have 28. Sigh,
it's always something. ;-)
Mike

 

No, no, no! The number of magnets required is determined by a formula
which included pi as a multiplier in the final answer. So it will never
work in this dimension as you can't get a fractional magnet!

Al

 

Not, umm, "sensible."

John

 

Looks like a Slowman "design" to me ;-)

...Jim Thompson

 

TANSTAAFL.

Bob M.

 

I forgot to mention - plug that formula into Google, and
the answers to all of your questions will become clear.

Bob M.

 

There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch - but sometimes you get
lucky, and discover half a pizza in a pizza booth that no one wants
anymore...

.... and you can hydrolyze it with alpha amylase, feed it to yeast,
distill it, run it through zeolite, and now you have neat ethanol.

;-)

Michael

 

I think this is the one we need work on, hydrogen from bacteria eating
waste.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Direct..._Fuel_Cells_Produce_Hydrogen_from_Waste_Water

Mike

 

Hard to store gaseous hydrogen, plus most cars can't run on it.

Oh, wait, we can liquefy it (turn it into methanol):
http://www.google.com/patents?id=QCYyAAAAEBAJ&dq=4282187

Michael

 

If we had cheap hydrogen, we would find a
way to store it.

Not yet.

 

for an actual working model, patents etc. have a look here.

Best viewed with open mind.

http://www.lutec.com.au/index.htm

 

The main problem is that perpetual motion machines don't work.

The 'magnet motor' is distraction for fuckwits who slept through science at
school.

Graham

 

" TEN D CLASS SHARES IN LUTEC ARE NOW AVAILABLE TO SOPHISTICATED INVESTORS ONLY.
PRICE IS AUD 100 000 EACH. APPLICATION MUST INCLUDE A LETTER FROM YOUR
ACCOUNTANT CONFIRMING “SOPHISTICATED” INVESTOR STATUS.

Uhuh.

" The reference to "sophisticated investors" is a way of circumventing the legal
requirement for a company to issue a prospectus if it wants to make a public
offer to sell shares. A prospectus has to be approved by the relevant
authorities before being issued and there are severe penalties for inaccuracies
in a prospectus. As a reasonable case could be made that statements like "A
TYPICAL LEA SYSTEM IS 440% OVERUNITY" could be seen as inaccurate if the
reference is to something existing in the real world, it is very handy that
there is a loophole in the law which might allow the promoters of such a scheme
to gather a million dollars without the inconvenience of having to issue a legal
document saying what they want the money for. A "sophisticated investor" is a
legal fiction. It is someone who is assumed to be capable of making investment
decisions based on an independent assessment of the risk, whereas a normal
investor needs to be told things like financial details and projections,
scientific evidence for scientific claims, and the truth.

I thought that the relevant authorities might like to know about Lutec, and you
can see complaint number 75880137 to the Australian Securities and Investments
Commission here."
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/lutec.htm

And this was the professional reply from a company trying to raise a million
dollars from investors:

Dear Donkey,

we don't have perpetual motion, I don't mined you having a fantasy. Further, you
may be able to read the words, obviously you don't understand them.

Have a shit day donkey crook, donkey moron.

Lu


Astonishing. Also see ...
www.skeptics.com.au/journal/2001/4_lutec2.pdf

Graham

 

Um, So I guess you believe that magnets cannot do work? Guess you never
picked up anything with one? What about solar energy? or nuclear energy?
They are even better than perpetual motion... its free energy.

Do you really think that if we didn't have "perpetual" motion that we would
even be able to do anything? The human body is perpetual motion.

If you talk about getting more energy out than you put in then its easily
done and done all the time(many people, your probably one of them, do it
all the time while "working"). If its a closed system and you take the net
energy then its a different matter.

Nuclear energy, solar, energy, and the human body are "perpetual" for all
practical purposes. Actually perpetual motion is a hypothesis and not a
fact. It is also not conservation of energy. It only supposes that the
entropy is 0 and not negative. The 2nd law does state that entropy increases
over time but technically it could be constant too(quasi increasing). The
subtle point I'm trying to make is that for pratical purposes it depends
only on maximizing efficiency.

In any case, you are forgetting, I guess in your old age!?!, that magnets
have the ability to do work. Something created the magnets and did work on
it and those magnets can use that energy to do work(same principle as
nuclear energy or chemical energy or whatever else). This is why natural
magnets loose there magnetism over time.

So for the original post, it is possible but chances are the friction is to
much for the magnets. One could get practical perpetual motion by using
solar energy to overcome the fricition. It might not technically be
perpetual motion according to physics but no one would be around to see it
stop.

Hell, we don't even know if gravity is conservative but we treat it as so
for all practical purposes. I guess your problem is that you have to
distinguish free energy devices from practical perpetual motion. The guy
isn't claiming is device will run for ever and probably doesn't care. I'm
sure he would be happy if it ran for a few hours.

 

Yes I can, did it the other day. Took a big hammer and....


WACK!

and I had hundreds of fractional magnets.

What's so cool is you don't loose any at all!

 

Try not to think about the magnet moving, use the flux - it has a
small amout of force, but its moving at the speed of light

 

Snipped the rest. It must be nice on your planet.

 

Yes, it is... I'm my planet people actually use there brains and actually
read the entire post.

Its funny how you quote something entirely out of context just to make
yourself feel smart.