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Jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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DMP LAUNCHES THE XR500 COMMAND PROCESSOR PANEL

Friday, November 28, 2003


DMP, Springfield, MO launches the industry's first control panel with
built-in Ethernet communication capability, enabling network or Internet
transmission of alarm data. The XR500 is the perfect cost effective control
panel for any high security application, but is optimized for Banking,
Government and other Public Sector environments and can be installed in
classic "Carriage Trade residential" as well. The launch of the XR500, the
latest in the popular XR Series of Control Panels from DMP, marks many
firsts for a fully integrated Burglary/Fire & Access Control including
built-in Ethernet and Digital Communicator for alarm signal transport. The
XR500 has been developed around flash ram programming to eliminate the need
for site visits when updating the panel's system operation to the most
current version. The powerful UL Listed (Fire approvals pending) XR500
Intrusion, Fire & Access Control Panel features 574 programmable zones, 32
true areas, 16 Doors of Access Control, 10,000 users, 12,000 events, 506
programmable outputs, 3.0 amps of selectable power.

DMP is a privately held independent manufacturer of advanced alarm products
that are designed and made in the United States of America and available
through professional alarm installing companies world wide.

Jack - FYI
 
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Southern

Jan 1, 1970
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Jackcsg said:
DMP LAUNCHES THE XR500 COMMAND PROCESSOR PANEL

Friday, November 28, 2003


DMP, Springfield, MO launches the industry's first control panel with
built-in Ethernet communication capability, enabling network or Internet
transmission of alarm data.

HAI beat them to Ethernet by about 9 months or more. Its been on the Omni
II line since it was announced with a later firmware release that enabled
it.

Not sure when network based monitoring will be accepted by the trade or UL
listed. Also not clear how many central stations will be supporting it and
in what timeframe.
 
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C G

Jan 1, 1970
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Southern said:
HAI beat them to Ethernet by about 9 months or more. Its been on the Omni
II line since it was announced with a later firmware release that enabled
it.

Kind of out of touch, aren't they?
Not sure when network based monitoring will be accepted by the trade or UL
listed. Also not clear how many central stations will be supporting it and
in what timeframe.

Given the reliability difference between my network, provided by TWC,
and my phone, provided by Sprint, it would be a really, really, really
hard sell to convince me that network based monitoring was a good idea.
Sometimes the KISS principle is best. Phone service is simple and
almost never fails.
 
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Jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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Really? DMP has had UL listed Internet Monitoring since 2001. This control
has (XR500) it built in, that's the only difference. UL Burg, fire, and
Access Control. My Central Station uses the Internet to monitor, and verify
alarms with video. Catch up? Please. Learn what's out there before you run
your mouth.

Jack
 
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Jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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Learn what's out there. The only hold-up with Internet Monitoring is the
lack of knowledge the average alarm installer has in understanding Ethernet,
TCP/IP Protocols, DSL, and simple, basic Networking practices. Internet
monitoring is faster, and just as reliable, if not more, than dial up. Our
Central Station has 95% of it's accounts monitored across the Internet, and
uses Video over IP to confirm alarms. 9 months behind? Try 3 years ahead.

Jack
 
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C G

Jan 1, 1970
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An announcement, dated November 28, 2003, was posted to the newsgroup
saying "DMP, Springfield, MO launches the industry's first control panel
with built-in Ethernet communication capability". If this was actually
done 3 years ago then they should not be wasting people's time by making
old news look new.

The holdup with internet monitoring is much more than "the lack of
knowledge the average alarm installer has in understanding Ethernet,
TCP/IP Protocols, DSL, and simple, basic Networking practices". It is
the fact that internet access, for the masses, is still not as reliable
as the plain old telephone. You can respond with all the marketing hype
you want, but there are people here who probably have a much better
understanding of the issues than you pretend to have.

It's great that your Central Station is being a pioneer in internet
monitoring, including video over IP. Just don't try to BS people by
trying to say that it's more reliable than dialup.

Chuck
 
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Southern

Jan 1, 1970
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Jackcsg said:
Learn what's out there. The only hold-up with Internet Monitoring is the
lack of knowledge the average alarm installer has in understanding Ethernet,
TCP/IP Protocols, DSL, and simple, basic Networking practices. Internet
monitoring is faster, and just as reliable, if not more, than dial up. Our
Central Station has 95% of it's accounts monitored across the Internet, and
uses Video over IP to confirm alarms. 9 months behind? Try 3 years ahead.

Jack

That is an interesting statistic. We install networks and firewalls as well
as security systems, and are well aware of Internet related issues. We use
Internet connections as a backup to land line or cell if we install a
server, mostly email notifications and remote access to a limited set of
controls, not as central station monitoring.

Considering net outages, firewalls, virii, block lists, routing issues,
dynamic IPs, not to mention provider instability, I am surprised that there
are not more problems, especially in residential or non urban areas. I
assume there is some sort of heartbeat or watchdog technique being used so
the system and the monitoring station know the link is good. Otherwise the
customer would be clueless about the loss of monitoring coverage. One of
the major differences between net and phone links is that while dial tone is
a fairly reliable way to know that you can connect to the central station,
net tone, especially behind a private router, is not. I also assume that a
cellular or land line backup is in place as well. We have also had some
customers switching over to VoIP for phones. That brings its own set of
issues.
 
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thesatguy

Jan 1, 1970
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Well, if they have DSC receivers as quite a few folks do now, you just slide
one of the receiver modules out and slide the new one in.
Takes about 60 seconds.
Cost is reasonable.
 
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thesatguy

Jan 1, 1970
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Learn what's out there. The only hold-up with Internet Monitoring is the
lack of knowledge the average alarm installer has in understanding
Ethernet,

Another holdup is getting peeps to understand an extra $39.95 a month for
the slow ADSL hookup is a good investment when they can't do anything else
with it.

If they already have the ADSL line installed its a piece of cake after you
finish explaining to them that the ADSL won't get any slower if you hook the
alarm system up to it too.
 
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thesatguy

Jan 1, 1970
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Really? DMP has had UL listed Internet Monitoring since 2001. This control
has (XR500) it built in, that's the only difference. UL Burg, fire, and
Access Control. My Central Station uses the Internet to monitor, and verify
alarms with video.

Having it built in is a MAJOR difference and quite frankly for any alarm use
it needs to be built in to reduce installer errors and so far the other
alarm equipment folks are NOT rushing ahead to build it in due to cost
considerations and no existing sales market.

Of course if the interface was already inside all the panels the price of
the interface would come down and since every panel had it there would be
more interest in using it. Right now the module you must add to a DSC or
CADDX panel is around $200. which is absurd and since DMP is not available
through the usual channels 99% of the prospective buyers will never use it.

Another MAJOR holdup.
 
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Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
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..
thesatguy said:
Having it built in is a MAJOR difference and quite frankly for any alarm use
it needs to be built in to reduce installer errors and so far the other
alarm equipment folks are NOT rushing ahead to build it in due to cost
considerations and no existing sales market.

Of course if the interface was already inside all the panels the price of
the interface would come down and since every panel had it there would be
more interest in using it. Right now the module you must add to a DSC or
CADDX panel is around $200. which is absurd and since DMP is not available
through the usual channels 99% of the prospective buyers will never use it.

Another MAJOR holdup.

Although the Caddx module isn't out yet that I know of I've been told by GE
reps the price should be well below $100
 
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J. Sloud

Jan 1, 1970
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Given the reliability difference between my network, provided by TWC,
and my phone, provided by Sprint, it would be a really, really, really
hard sell to convince me that network based monitoring was a good idea.

Networked based monitoring can offer the reliability of line security
which, as I'm sure you know, isn't possible with traditional telephone
dialers. The only alternatives are lease lines and supervised two way
radio systems, which seem to be prone to trouble especially in certain
installations in this area. Those of us who deal with cutomers who
have critical areas where line security IDS is required welcome
networked based monitoring (see NISPOM, UL 2050, and DCID 6/9 for
examples). DMP has a NIST approved 128 bit encrypted network
transmitter for use with these type applications.

To say that networked based communication isn't as reliable as
telephone service is inaccurate and shows your ignorance of the
subject. Maybe the fact that these systems have been approved by NIST
and CES to guard T/S level classified material will convince you that
network-based monitoring may be a good idea, afterall.

J.
 
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Jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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Finally. ONE intelligent answer.

Jack

J. Sloud said:
Networked based monitoring can offer the reliability of line security
which, as I'm sure you know, isn't possible with traditional telephone
dialers. The only alternatives are lease lines and supervised two way
radio systems, which seem to be prone to trouble especially in certain
installations in this area. Those of us who deal with cutomers who
have critical areas where line security IDS is required welcome
networked based monitoring (see NISPOM, UL 2050, and DCID 6/9 for
examples). DMP has a NIST approved 128 bit encrypted network
transmitter for use with these type applications.

To say that networked based communication isn't as reliable as
telephone service is inaccurate and shows your ignorance of the
subject. Maybe the fact that these systems have been approved by NIST
and CES to guard T/S level classified material will convince you that
network-based monitoring may be a good idea, afterall.

J.
 
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Jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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Chuck. Your an idiot. Keep doing what your doing. It's better for me.

Jack
 
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Jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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You don't shit about how networks, devices, software, or hardware works in
relationship to transmission Protocols. Go learn some where, and come back
soon.

Jack
 
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Jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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Please.

Jack

thesatguy said:
Ethernet,

Another holdup is getting peeps to understand an extra $39.95 a month for
the slow ADSL hookup is a good investment when they can't do anything else
with it.

If they already have the ADSL line installed its a piece of cake after you
finish explaining to them that the ADSL won't get any slower if you hook the
alarm system up to it too.
 
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Jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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Wow. Nobody would use the ONLY American Made Alarm Control? Seems to be
working well for me. You guys crack me up! Idiots

Jack
 
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fly in the ointment

Jan 1, 1970
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Jackcsg wrote
Wow. Nobody would use the ONLY American Made Alarm Control? Seems to be
working well for me. You guys crack me up! Idiots

Fall off the wagon tonight, Jack?
js
 
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Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
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He's not far off on that, many if not most of the adult population knows
nothing about ethernet, most also don't have any form of high-speed internet
connection and every test I've done as well as every rep I've talked to
makes a point of saying the amount of data being transfered (which is almost
nil)

Also if they do have high speed access they usually do not have any kind of
router
 
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Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
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Jackcsg said:
Wow. Nobody would use the ONLY American Made Alarm Control? Seems to be
working well for me. You guys crack me up! Idiots

Jack

Last I checked Caddx still makes panels in Gladewater Texas :)
 

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