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  1. Jackcsg

    Jackcsg Guest

    DMP LAUNCHES THE XR500 COMMAND PROCESSOR PANEL

    Friday, November 28, 2003


    DMP, Springfield, MO launches the industry's first control panel with
    built-in Ethernet communication capability, enabling network or Internet
    transmission of alarm data. The XR500 is the perfect cost effective control
    panel for any high security application, but is optimized for Banking,
    Government and other Public Sector environments and can be installed in
    classic "Carriage Trade residential" as well. The launch of the XR500, the
    latest in the popular XR Series of Control Panels from DMP, marks many
    firsts for a fully integrated Burglary/Fire & Access Control including
    built-in Ethernet and Digital Communicator for alarm signal transport. The
    XR500 has been developed around flash ram programming to eliminate the need
    for site visits when updating the panel's system operation to the most
    current version. The powerful UL Listed (Fire approvals pending) XR500
    Intrusion, Fire & Access Control Panel features 574 programmable zones, 32
    true areas, 16 Doors of Access Control, 10,000 users, 12,000 events, 506
    programmable outputs, 3.0 amps of selectable power.

    DMP is a privately held independent manufacturer of advanced alarm products
    that are designed and made in the United States of America and available
    through professional alarm installing companies world wide.

    Jack - FYI
     
  2. Southern

    Southern Guest

    HAI beat them to Ethernet by about 9 months or more. Its been on the Omni
    II line since it was announced with a later firmware release that enabled
    it.

    Not sure when network based monitoring will be accepted by the trade or UL
    listed. Also not clear how many central stations will be supporting it and
    in what timeframe.
     
  3. C G

    C G Guest

    Kind of out of touch, aren't they?
    Given the reliability difference between my network, provided by TWC,
    and my phone, provided by Sprint, it would be a really, really, really
    hard sell to convince me that network based monitoring was a good idea.
    Sometimes the KISS principle is best. Phone service is simple and
    almost never fails.
     
  4. Jackcsg

    Jackcsg Guest

    Really? DMP has had UL listed Internet Monitoring since 2001. This control
    has (XR500) it built in, that's the only difference. UL Burg, fire, and
    Access Control. My Central Station uses the Internet to monitor, and verify
    alarms with video. Catch up? Please. Learn what's out there before you run
    your mouth.

    Jack
     
  5. Jackcsg

    Jackcsg Guest

    Learn what's out there. The only hold-up with Internet Monitoring is the
    lack of knowledge the average alarm installer has in understanding Ethernet,
    TCP/IP Protocols, DSL, and simple, basic Networking practices. Internet
    monitoring is faster, and just as reliable, if not more, than dial up. Our
    Central Station has 95% of it's accounts monitored across the Internet, and
    uses Video over IP to confirm alarms. 9 months behind? Try 3 years ahead.

    Jack
     
  6. C G

    C G Guest

    An announcement, dated November 28, 2003, was posted to the newsgroup
    saying "DMP, Springfield, MO launches the industry's first control panel
    with built-in Ethernet communication capability". If this was actually
    done 3 years ago then they should not be wasting people's time by making
    old news look new.

    The holdup with internet monitoring is much more than "the lack of
    knowledge the average alarm installer has in understanding Ethernet,
    TCP/IP Protocols, DSL, and simple, basic Networking practices". It is
    the fact that internet access, for the masses, is still not as reliable
    as the plain old telephone. You can respond with all the marketing hype
    you want, but there are people here who probably have a much better
    understanding of the issues than you pretend to have.

    It's great that your Central Station is being a pioneer in internet
    monitoring, including video over IP. Just don't try to BS people by
    trying to say that it's more reliable than dialup.

    Chuck
     
  7. Southern

    Southern Guest

    That is an interesting statistic. We install networks and firewalls as well
    as security systems, and are well aware of Internet related issues. We use
    Internet connections as a backup to land line or cell if we install a
    server, mostly email notifications and remote access to a limited set of
    controls, not as central station monitoring.

    Considering net outages, firewalls, virii, block lists, routing issues,
    dynamic IPs, not to mention provider instability, I am surprised that there
    are not more problems, especially in residential or non urban areas. I
    assume there is some sort of heartbeat or watchdog technique being used so
    the system and the monitoring station know the link is good. Otherwise the
    customer would be clueless about the loss of monitoring coverage. One of
    the major differences between net and phone links is that while dial tone is
    a fairly reliable way to know that you can connect to the central station,
    net tone, especially behind a private router, is not. I also assume that a
    cellular or land line backup is in place as well. We have also had some
    customers switching over to VoIP for phones. That brings its own set of
    issues.
     
  8. thesatguy

    thesatguy Guest

    Well, if they have DSC receivers as quite a few folks do now, you just slide
    one of the receiver modules out and slide the new one in.
    Takes about 60 seconds.
    Cost is reasonable.
     
  9. thesatguy

    thesatguy Guest

    Learn what's out there. The only hold-up with Internet Monitoring is the
    Ethernet,

    Another holdup is getting peeps to understand an extra $39.95 a month for
    the slow ADSL hookup is a good investment when they can't do anything else
    with it.

    If they already have the ADSL line installed its a piece of cake after you
    finish explaining to them that the ADSL won't get any slower if you hook the
    alarm system up to it too.
     
  10. thesatguy

    thesatguy Guest

    Really? DMP has had UL listed Internet Monitoring since 2001. This control
    Having it built in is a MAJOR difference and quite frankly for any alarm use
    it needs to be built in to reduce installer errors and so far the other
    alarm equipment folks are NOT rushing ahead to build it in due to cost
    considerations and no existing sales market.

    Of course if the interface was already inside all the panels the price of
    the interface would come down and since every panel had it there would be
    more interest in using it. Right now the module you must add to a DSC or
    CADDX panel is around $200. which is absurd and since DMP is not available
    through the usual channels 99% of the prospective buyers will never use it.

    Another MAJOR holdup.
     
  11. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    ..
    Although the Caddx module isn't out yet that I know of I've been told by GE
    reps the price should be well below $100
     
  12. J. Sloud

    J. Sloud Guest

    Networked based monitoring can offer the reliability of line security
    which, as I'm sure you know, isn't possible with traditional telephone
    dialers. The only alternatives are lease lines and supervised two way
    radio systems, which seem to be prone to trouble especially in certain
    installations in this area. Those of us who deal with cutomers who
    have critical areas where line security IDS is required welcome
    networked based monitoring (see NISPOM, UL 2050, and DCID 6/9 for
    examples). DMP has a NIST approved 128 bit encrypted network
    transmitter for use with these type applications.

    To say that networked based communication isn't as reliable as
    telephone service is inaccurate and shows your ignorance of the
    subject. Maybe the fact that these systems have been approved by NIST
    and CES to guard T/S level classified material will convince you that
    network-based monitoring may be a good idea, afterall.

    J.
     
  13. Jackcsg

    Jackcsg Guest

    Finally. ONE intelligent answer.

    Jack

     
  14. Jackcsg

    Jackcsg Guest

    Chuck. Your an idiot. Keep doing what your doing. It's better for me.

    Jack
     
  15. Jackcsg

    Jackcsg Guest

    You don't shit about how networks, devices, software, or hardware works in
    relationship to transmission Protocols. Go learn some where, and come back
    soon.

    Jack
     
  16. Jackcsg

    Jackcsg Guest

    Please.

    Jack

     
  17. Jackcsg

    Jackcsg Guest

    Wow. Nobody would use the ONLY American Made Alarm Control? Seems to be
    working well for me. You guys crack me up! Idiots

    Jack
     
  18. Jackcsg wrote
    Fall off the wagon tonight, Jack?
    js
     
  19. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    He's not far off on that, many if not most of the adult population knows
    nothing about ethernet, most also don't have any form of high-speed internet
    connection and every test I've done as well as every rep I've talked to
    makes a point of saying the amount of data being transfered (which is almost
    nil)

    Also if they do have high speed access they usually do not have any kind of
    router
     
  20. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    Last I checked Caddx still makes panels in Gladewater Texas :)
     
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