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  1. vick5821

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    Dear all,

    How can I combine logic gates and what logic gates should be combined to give this type of input and output ?

    Thank you.

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    Is this logic combination true and can be constructed in hardware ?

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    Thank you.
     
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  2. (*steve*)

    (*steve*) ¡sǝpodᴉʇuɐ ǝɥʇ ɹɐǝɥd Moderator

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    I would have modelled the B output as B AND (NOT A)

    Note that there could be many different answers (even more than usual) because there is one input state where the output is not defined.

    Your result seems correct for the three values shown.
     
  3. vick5821

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    What does the bolded part means ?
     
  4. vick5821

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    This is the circuit where I want to implement my logic gates. Is the connection correct ? It seems cant work when constructed in hardware. :(....

    This circuit basically is like this :
    We make a heat detector circuit which can sense two different temperature. Lets say 40 degree and 80 degree celcius. I am using one LM 35 temperature sensor. And I set the threshold of the comparator. Using two comparator and both of them having different thresold so as to triggereed the output. So, when relay on the left is ON, it will drive the DC fan with 12V to GND. When the relay on the right is on, and the relay on the left is off, it will drive the DC fan with 9V only which gives a slower speed(for lower temperature/heat). We use logic gates to ensure that when I reach around 90 degree, only the left relay in ON and the right relay is OFF. So, is the implementation of the logic correct ? Or do you have any suggestion on implement this application so can sense two different temperaturee ?


    Thank you for the help
     
  5. duke37

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    That seems very complicated. You could get rid of the 9V supply and the relay by putting the motor in series with a resistance and switching this with a fet fed from one of the comparators. The other comparator would switch another fet to bypass the resistance.

    No other logic would be needed.

    Does the motor need a stabilised supply? If you use the same supply to power the motor and the other circuitry, you may get interference from the motor.
     
  6. vick5821

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    I do not get what you try to say. I need to follow according to this logic now
    when start the circuit, the DC fan wont move.
    When reach 40 degree, the DC fan will on with slighly lower speed.
    when 80 degree, the DC fan will on with higher speed.

    The 80 degree with override the 40 degree,
    80 degree, the fan is power by 12V
    40 degree the fan is power by 9V.
    And I do not want when it reaches 80 degree, the DC fan is power by 12 + 9V = 21V :)

    Thats why I need some logic gates to do this right ?
     
  7. vick5821

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    It's weird. When I on the relay to drive the fan by 9V, the voltage at the fan is around 9. and when I on for the 12V to drive the fan and 9V is off, the fsn voltage is around 12.But when I both on the 12V and 9V to drive the fan, the voltage is around 10? Why like this ?
     
  8. duke37

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    If you put 9V and 12V on one output, the supplies will fight to gain superiority. With luck, you have not damaged anything.

    I attach a diagram of my idea.
    One fet feeds the fan with a resistor in series and the other feeds it direct.
    Please comment.

    Please add a T to unsabilised!
     

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    How does this works ? working principle ?
     
  10. (*steve*)

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    A simpler approach may be to place a diode in series with the two power supplies just before (or after) the relay contacts.

    That will prevent either supply from loading the other one down.

    You could just get away with a single diode in series with the lower voltage supply.

    But yeah, using regulated voltages for this... Not typically required.

    Duke37's solution is to essentially connect a resistor in series with the fan at low temperature.

    Another approach is to drive the fan using PWM from a 555 at low temperature.

    At high temperature, force the 555 to have a high output by either shorting the timing capacitor (pulling trigger low) or a low output by asserting reset. (Pick the correct one to turn the motor on)
     
  11. vick5821

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    Can I have the sample circuit ? Have no much time already.Pls help.

    Thank you :)
     
  12. vick5821

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    How do I make this circuit special with PIR motion sensor ? What type of special component too that I can use ? And what kind of prototype I can build ? What decoration can be included ? But most important is that my circuit is unique and functional

    Thank you
     
  13. (*steve*)

    (*steve*) ¡sǝpodᴉʇuɐ ǝɥʇ ɹɐǝɥd Moderator

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    Do you have a PIR sensor?

    Do you have the datasheet?

    Without both, you're not going to get far.
     
  14. vick5821

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    I have PIR sensor and the datasheet
     
  15. vick5821

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    How do I amplify the voltage output from the comparator so as to be input to the logic gates ? I measured that the output voltage from comparator is less than 1V, so I plan to amplify it so as the comparator output is 1(HIGH), then then logic input is 1..Any ideas ?

    Thank you
     
  16. duke37

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    You do not need to amplify the output of a comparator. If you only get 1V out, I assume that you have not fitted a pull-up resistor. See the circuit I posted earlier.
     
  17. (*steve*)

    (*steve*) ¡sǝpodᴉʇuɐ ǝɥʇ ɹɐǝɥd Moderator

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    Can you provide us with a link?

    And to assist by putting everything in one place, briefly restate what it is that you want the PIR to detect, and how you want your circuit to react.
     
  18. vick5821

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  19. vick5821

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    where should I add my logic gates to my maain circuit as posted above ?
     
  20. (*steve*)

    (*steve*) ¡sǝpodᴉʇuɐ ǝɥʇ ɹɐǝɥd Moderator

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    No way. You've got to come up with that. I thought you wanted to interface it to the circuit you've shown above in order to provide some feature.
     
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