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Kee

Jan 1, 1970
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Can someone tell me, how do I know/test my alarm system
whether has been locked out or not by installer ?
System : DSC power 632.
ThanX
 
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fly in the ointment

Jan 1, 1970
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Kee wrote
Can someone tell me, how do I know/test my alarm system
whether has been locked out or not by installer ?
System : DSC power 632.

Ask the installer. If you try to default it and it isn't, you'll, well,
default it.
js
 
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rabit

Jan 1, 1970
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you can bet it has been locked out . nobody with any sense would not lock it
out. If they did not lock it then you would be vulnerable to anyone with
the software to be able to access and possibly disable your system. There
are too many shady dealers on the internet giving out the software nowadays
for you to be safe unless your system is locked out.
 
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RH.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
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You will hear a series of about 10 clicks together when you first power up.
You may have to disconnect the siren to hear the clicking, but if it clicks
as described, it is indeed "locked".

Assuming you own the board and indeed have the right to "unlock" it, contact
your original installing company, and they should do it for you. If they're
not around anymore, or you don't otherwise know to contact, you only have
two choices - buy another replacement board, or send it to someone for
unlocking.

R.H.Campbell
Home Security Metal Products
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
www.homemetal.com
 
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RH.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
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No reputable dealer that I know has to "lock" his boards to keep others out.
But it is perfectly within his right to do so provided he has some financial
claim to the alarm system. On the other hand, once he has no financial claim
to the board, he has NO RIGHT to lock the board, and has an OBLIGATION to
dial in and unlock it - period !

The sentiment expressed about "Shady dealers" hanging about, accessing
other's accounts via software, and "stealing them away" is nothing but
industry paranoia ! A "locked" board is not "safe" for anyone (except the
alarmco who locked it....)....

RHC
 
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RH.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
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Quite right Doug ! Provided the person dialing in knows the Panel ID, the
panel will answer and connect anyway. This always works with both the lines
of panels I use anyway - DSC and Paradox. And surely any "shady dealer"
dialing in would know that as well.

I have used that methodology doing legitimate takeovers with my laptop, when
I didn't want to default the panel and lose the information in it....a
Century 21 office that had 49 different codes in it's Paradox panel for
instance....

RHC
 
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rabit

Jan 1, 1970
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so you're saying that if you don't change the downloading access code that
the system is safe from someone hacking into it using the default
downloading access code?
I didn't say anything about stealing accounts.
 
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petem

Jan 1, 1970
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Rabit even with software i cant log into any dsc system if the downlaod code
have been changed...

locked or not...

and i can log in it if i have the downloading code locked or not...

i wonder why you say stuff like that
 
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rabit

Jan 1, 1970
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and if you don't lock the panel for local access anyone can find out the
download code with a few keypresses. Is that security?
If that happened and the panel was compromised you could get sued and lose
everything you have been working for. Is that smart?
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert L. Bass said:
Power cycle it. If it starts clicking it's locked.


How many times does he have to ride it around the block to qualify as "power
cycling"?

:)
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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rabit said:
and if you don't lock the panel for local access anyone can find out the
download code with a few keypresses. Is that security?
If that happened and the panel was compromised you could get sued and lose
everything you have been working for. Is that smart?


I suppose if the owner had the time to try and input about 10,000 code
combinations he'd eventually stumble across the installer code regardless.
DSC's lock-out doesn't prevent anyone from programming the panel locally,
just from defaulting it. Ademco has an actual local programming lockout
feature and I believe Napco does as well (there are a few others too).
 
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rabit

Jan 1, 1970
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But if you didn't change the local access code one would only have to try 1
code to gain access. That is why it is prudent to change the local access
code as well as the download code, total lockout= security. This is not
some greedy alarmco trick it is security.
 
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fly in the ointment

Jan 1, 1970
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rabit wrote
so you're saying that if you don't change the downloading access code that
the system is safe from someone hacking into it using the default
downloading access code?

Changing the dls access code is not the same as locking the panel.
js
 
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fly in the ointment

Jan 1, 1970
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rabit wrote
But if you didn't change the local access code one would only have to try 1
code to gain access. That is why it is prudent to change the local access
code as well as the download code, total lockout= security. This is not
some greedy alarmco trick it is security.

OK, open up your mind juuuuussst a tiny bit, and stop typing stupid stuff
for a second.

Changing the "local access code", whatever that means, I assume you mean
installer access code, is not the same as locking the panel. The same
applies for the download access code. While these codes should be changed at
installation, it does not constitute locking a DSC 832 panel. A lockout
prevents a hardware default, and has nothing to do with the access codes.
js
 
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fly in the ointment

Jan 1, 1970
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Frank Olson wrote in
How many times does he have to ride it around the block to qualify as "power
cycling"?

Depends on what gear he's in. Mark would know.
js
 
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RH.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
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Security for whom ? The installer code is there to keep people from messing
with the settings and that is all that is necessary to safeguard the
integrity of the programming from the keypad. The panel ID is used to ensure
only the correct party is able to connect with the panel via remote
software. Access codes are there to keep the wrong people from turning off
the armed system, and that is how every alarm panel is designed to work. The
"lock" feature, however, serves to prevent theft of property when used
legitimately, and to discourage other companies from taking over the panel
by making it a bit more expensive to do. But when misused, it also prevents
the owner from having another company come in at his request and take over
responsibility for his system, or even to reprogram it as a "local" system
if that is his wish. And if the panel is HIS equipment, it prevents him from
having total control over HIS private property !

Any way you cut it, THAT part of the equation is wrong !

RHC
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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fly in the ointment said:
Frank Olson wrote in

Depends on what gear he's in. Mark would know.
js


LOL! Gawd you're good!!
 
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rabit

Jan 1, 1970
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Oh....never mind.

VSS DOUG said:
The feature that causes most controversy is the "installers lock out", not the
installers code or the downloading access code, I don't think that there is any
dispute that its prudent to change those codes. If the panel is locked using
the installers lock out feature then its not possible to default or gain access
to the panel, even if you are the legitimate owner of the panel. I believe that
is what the original question was about.

Doug L

rabit wrote
 
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rabit

Jan 1, 1970
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is that a just a DSC feature?
or do other panels have it.?
 
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