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G. Morgan

Jan 1, 1970
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Oooops. I knew Jim wrote it, I thought he wrote it for Jack. My bad.
 
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alarman

Jan 1, 1970
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G. Morgan said:
Oooops. I knew Jim wrote it, I thought he wrote it for Jack. My bad.

He did. Like I said before:
I push a button here, and Jim dances waaaaaayyyy over there. It's good
sport, and comical to watch.
js
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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alarman said:
He did. Like I said before:
I push a button here, and Jim dances waaaaaayyyy over there. It's good
sport, and comical to watch.
js


Is the button on your keyboard the same color as the one I use for "Goofy
Groupie Muderator"?? Mine's "pink"... :))
 
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G. Morgan

Jan 1, 1970
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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P.S.
I see you already got Mike's "assclown" award this month, (third time
I might add).......


I'm "on a roll"... ;-)
 
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petem

Jan 1, 1970
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Hummmm....

this post is putting me in a perplex mood....

will have to read the whole tread back...
since i didnt followed much...


Alarminex said:
Subject: Re: Lighning Strike
From: "alarman" <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:19:18 -0700



He did. Like I said before:
I push a button here, and Jim dances waaaaaayyyy over there. It's good
sport, and comical to watch.
js

Has anyone ever noticed that Jack finds little things like that so amusing?
It's so typical of stupid people like him to find anyone who has any
inteligence and or says anything beyond his understanding, morbidly
attractive. He can never achieve understanding, so he just sniggers and blows a
snot bubble from his nose, drools a little, while thinking everyone around him
agrees with him. In fact, no one says anything to him because they know it'll
just be beyond his comprehension. He thinks they all like him. Shhhhhhh!Jim

(Email accepted only upon request.)

Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints...[/QUOTE]
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert L. Bass said:
Hmm. Is Jiminex actually trying to say that he is more intelligent than
Jack Stevens? How absurd. Stevens is a jerk but he's much more intelligent
than Jiminex. Why, I'd say he's almost ...ummm, average.


Heh... Didn't you write this only recently as well, Bassey??

"The part that really cracks me up is that a bunch of foul-mouthed,
dishonest dealers (not you, of course) who have attacked me numerous times
without provocation for years have the chutzpah to think that I need their
forgiveness."


--
Frank Olson
http://www.yoursecuritysource.com
Free listings for qualified dealers and industry professionals
You can read the ASA FAQ at
http://www.yoursecuritysource.com/asafaq.htm
 
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automationman

Jan 1, 1970
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I took a course on lightning at Georgetown University a few years ago
and they stated that an average lightning strike 1 mile away can
induce 300 volts per meter of wire in a house. So if an alarm panel
has 100 meters of wire connected to it, 30,000 volts can be induced
into the alarm panel. This is for induced lightning not to mention
the near direct hit transients that run through multiple ground
sources. If your house has two or more ground rods, the lighting will
run up one ground rod, through your house and down the other ground
rod. This is called Step Voltage, it is what kills people without
being hit by the lightning.
 
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Nick Markowitz

Jan 1, 1970
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I have investigated many fires with lightning and it can travel many
different paths usally it will come in thru the phone line or power wires
even cable wiring if it hit that far away it could have come up the ground
wire as well but that is pushing it unless the ground was extremely moist
..Many times I have seen panels and other electronics damaged by step voltage
were 2 grounds are drven 1 for alarm and 1 for electrical service and they
are not unified which causes a capacitor type effect when lightning strkes
close to a structure


--
Nick Markowitz Jr.
Owner
Markowitz Electric Protection
Private Industry Fire Investigator

Exclusive Correspondant North Boroughs Fire news.com
Contributing Editor Pa. Firemans Magazine
Contributing Writer www.SecurityMission.com
Senior Corespondant 1st Responder news
 
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alarman

Jan 1, 1970
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Alarminex wrote
I push a button here, and Jack dances waaaaaayyyy over there. It's good
sport, and comical to watch.

Ever have an original thought?
js
 
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w_tom

Jan 1, 1970
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Lets complete the example of 100 meter wire generating
30,000 volts. How much current in that 30,000 volts?
Remember, current (not voltage) causes the damage. Voltage is
only required to make current flow possible. But if the
electricity has near zero current, then the voltage becomes
irrelevant.

A long wire antenna might also suffer those 30,000 volts
(actually will be less due to other reasons). So we put an
NE-2 neon glow lamp on that lead. The milliamps or microamps
conducted by the NE-2 glow lamp is sufficient to reduce that
30,000 volts to near zero. Why? There is very little current
in that 30,000 volts. Same principle makes electronics inputs
resistant to such damage.

Properly noted because it cannot be said enough is the need
for single point earth ground. Principles demonstrated in
this technical note:

http://www.erico.com/public/library/fep/technotes/tncr002.pdf
Notice that even buried wires can be an incoming source of
destructive transients and therefore must connect to the
single point ground before entering the building.

A figure from the NIST is used to demonstrate the protection
of a fax machine:
http://www.epri-peac.com/tutorials/sol01tut.html.
Again the single point ground and how it is connected to is so
important.

How to create 300 volts per meter? Put electronics only 1
foot away from a cathode ray tube Television. 300 volts per
meter sounds impressive until we include other important
information. Current does the damage.
 
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alarman

Jan 1, 1970
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Alarminex wrote
But .....that would be an original thought, not likely you'd
............

Have you considered medication for your illness?
js
 
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Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
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Alarminex said:
Subject: Re: Lighning Strike
From: "alarman" <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:20:13 -0700


Alarminex wrote
...........

Have you considered medication for your illness?
js

Have you considered that you should stop sucking dicks!Jim[/QUOTE]

Jim's rules of newsgroups #135

"When the ammunition runs dry throw out the gay accusations"
 
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alarman

Jan 1, 1970
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Mark Leuck said:
Have you considered that you should stop sucking dicks!
Jim

Jim's rules of newsgroups #135

"When the ammunition runs dry throw out the gay accusations"[/QUOTE]

Yup, I'm waiting for the Nazi accusations. :)
js
 
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alarman

Jan 1, 1970
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Alarminex said:
"Mark Leuck" said:
Subject: Re: Lighning Strike
From: "Mark Leuck" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 04:19:33 GMT




Jims rules of the newsgroup # 4

When a fucking hypocrite ultimately doesn't mind their their own fucking
business, tell em to **** off.

Easy, Dad. Eeeeeaaasssy now. Just caaalm down. That's it. There there.
js
 
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Blythe Noe

Jan 1, 1970
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Nick Markowitz said:
I have investigated many fires with lightning and it can travel many
different paths usally it will come in thru the phone line or power wires
even cable wiring if it hit that far away it could have come up the ground
wire as well but that is pushing it unless the ground was extremely moist
.Many times I have seen panels and other electronics damaged by step voltage
were 2 grounds are drven 1 for alarm and 1 for electrical service and they
are not unified which causes a capacitor type effect when lightning strkes
close to a structure


--
Nick Markowitz Jr.
Owner
Markowitz Electric Protection
Private Industry Fire Investigator

Exclusive Correspondant North Boroughs Fire news.com
Contributing Editor Pa. Firemans Magazine
Contributing Writer www.SecurityMission.com
Senior Corespondant 1st Responder news

There have been some very good and very informed post made here. I
firmly belive that one has to make the best installation that we can,
and then just hope for the best. Through the years we have installed
systems with what we believe to be good grounds. We have used cables
with shield, and cables without any shield. We have installed just as
many panels without any form of ground, as those with ground.
Although we have only had a few problems, I will have to say that
there is no noted difference between the grounded systems and the
un-grounded systems. One line of thought could be that the lightning
would seek out the path of least resistance, which would be the
grounds, and leave the un-grounded equipment alone. I do not think
that anyone has the answer. Lightning has a mind of its own, and will
allways exercise this.
 
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alarman

Jan 1, 1970
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Alarminex wrote
Yeah, I know. You hear that all the time ............. after you suck a
dick.

You seem to be fixated on "sucking a dick". Is there something you want to
tell us, dad?
js
 
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