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ChairmanOfTheBored

Jan 1, 1970
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Fun letter here

"Not only am I unintimidated by litigation; I sometimes rather miss
it."

http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/blue-jeans-strikes-back


martin


Excellent letter, in fact.

Actually, after reading it, I think that every honest man in the world
should stop buying their products, if they ever did.

Problem is, companies like Radio Shack, and small car audio
sale/installation shops buy their stupid shit, so Monster still makes
money.

It really is sad the way that rat bastard company is the main cause that
we all pay a lot more for cables now.

Even the "discount" "cheap Chinese" versions are too goddamned much.

I feel like giving Kurt my business based on that letter alone... well,
his web page too.

I rather miss behavior like his in America.
 
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Martin Griffith

Jan 1, 1970
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Loved it.

Particularly...

"As for your requests for information, or for action, directed to me:
I would remind you that it is you, not I, who are making claims; and
it is you, not I, who must substantiate those claims. You have not
done so."

And...

"If you sue me, the case will go to judgment, and I will hold the
court's attention upon the merits of your claims--or, to speak more
precisely, the absence of merit from your claims--from start to
finish. Not only am I unintimidated by litigation; I sometimes rather
miss it."

Patent litigation IS fun. I recently told a litigant that their
"...patent isn't worth the powder to blow it to hell" ;-)

...Jim Thompson
What do you think of this one?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/10/ibm_chaos_patent/


martin
 
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Martin Griffith

Jan 1, 1970
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:50:30 -0700, in sci.electronics.design Jim
Thompson said:
Is that real? Or an April Fools prank ?:)

I see this kind of wording all the time... "system and method for
optimizing ..."

My response is always, "Where's the beef?" If I can get an
arbitration panel laughing I always win ;-)

I also liked this follow-up at the bottom of your original "Monster v
Blue Jeans"...

http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/monster-sues-blue-jeans-cable

...Jim Thompson
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph...63".PGNR.&OS=DN/20080077463&RS=DN/20080077463
and if that doesn't work try the link in the second paragraph


martin
 
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Martin Griffith

Jan 1, 1970
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Is that real? Or an April Fools prank ?:)

I see this kind of wording all the time... "system and method for
optimizing ..."

My response is always, "Where's the beef?" If I can get an
arbitration panel laughing I always win ;-)

I also liked this follow-up at the bottom of your original "Monster v
Blue Jeans"...

http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/monster-sues-blue-jeans-cable

...Jim Thompson
http://www.google.com/search?q=Monster+cables+were+no+better+than+wire+coat+hangers


martin
 
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James Beck

Jan 1, 1970
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To-Email-Use- said:
Jim said:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:03:06 +0200, Martin Griffith

[snip]

http://www.google.com/search?q=Monster+cables+were+no+better+than+wire+coat+hangers


martin

What really pisses me off... You need a cable in a hurry, head out to
the usual suspect suppliers like RS or Best Buy or whatever... all
they have is the over-priced Monster Crap? :-(


Buy cables? That's just plain daft! :) What cable could you need
that you don't already have stuffed in a drawer or closet? I could
probably fill three 55 gall drums with my spares. :(

I know ;-)

I was speaking metaphorically.

I think my power cords are reproducing ;-)

...Jim Thompson
I'm sure, like most techs/engineers, I have enough RCA cables to wire
the shuttle from end to end, but I needed an HDMI cable for a DVD player
and surely didn't have one to spare. The only thing I could find off
the shelf/locally was some $100+ gold plated piece of crap that somehow
claimed it was going to improve my digital picture and sound. That's
the shit I can't stand.

Jim Beck
 
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RFI-EMI-GUY

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
What really pisses me off... You need a cable in a hurry, head out to
the usual suspect suppliers like RS or Best Buy or whatever... all
they have is the over-priced Monster Crap™ :-(

...Jim Thompson

I found the same problem when I bought my LCD panel. I was able to buy
an HDMI cable from the cable TV installer for a fraction of the price.
But, still overpriced at $50. Then I needed a $25 right angle adapter
because SONY decided to put the HDMI jack right where the wall mount
kit would naturally interfere.

--
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
"The RFI-EMI-GUY"©

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

"Follow The Money" ;-P
 
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ChairmanOfTheBored

Jan 1, 1970
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Hallelujah! A civilized post from "overloaded-with-too-many-nyms" ;-)

Keep up the good work!


**** you, filter boy! You claimed to be filtering me, when all you
really are doing is looking for posts to jab trolls at me with. So filter
me, you retarded fuckhead.

You are exactly the retarded fucktard I have been stating that you are.

Your "litigation" remarks prove your stupidity even further.

Leave me OUT of your retarded baby bullshit, you stupid ****!

If I rode on you for the next two years, without a single reply from
you, I still will not have caught up to the absolute horseshit you spew.
 
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ChairmanOfTheBored

Jan 1, 1970
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Is that real? Or an April Fools prank ?:)

I see this kind of wording all the time... "system and method for
optimizing ..."

My response is always, "Where's the beef?" If I can get an
arbitration panel laughing I always win ;-)

I also liked this follow-up at the bottom of your original "Monster v
Blue Jeans"...

http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/monster-sues-blue-jeans-cable

...Jim Thompson


Yeah... He is a Monster Retard... Just like you are.
 
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ChairmanOfTheBored

Jan 1, 1970
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:03:06 +0200, Martin Griffith

[snip]

What really pisses me off... You need a cable in a hurry, head out to
the usual suspect suppliers like RS or Best Buy or whatever... all
they have is the over-priced Monster Crap™ :-(

...Jim Thompson

Or whatever? Is that like et al?

It is real easy. Try small car audio installation shops.

A lot of those like cheaper hardware sources as well.

I get the parts and cables at work, and make my own, and they are very
nearly the same as the Blue Jean Cable jobs... Belden wire, and good
connectors.
 
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ChairmanOfTheBored

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:03:06 +0200, Martin Griffith

[snip]

What really pisses me off... You need a cable in a hurry, head out to
the usual suspect suppliers like RS or Best Buy or whatever... all
they have is the over-priced Monster Crap™ :-(


Buy cables? That's just plain daft! :) What cable could you need
that you don't already have stuffed in a drawer or closet? I could
probably fill three 55 gall drums with my spares. :(


Sad, that fact... actually. I could fill a 12" square box, and that is
with old, bad or good, El Cheapo cables like those that get supplied with
devices at times. A 55 gallon drum though? Sheesh. You probably
actually have a couple old, rusty barrels around the yard too, eh?

Cardboard drums make for better storage.
 
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ChairmanOfTheBored

Jan 1, 1970
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I found the same problem when I bought my LCD panel. I was able to buy
an HDMI cable from the cable TV installer for a fraction of the price.
But, still overpriced at $50. Then I needed a $25 right angle adapter
because SONY decided to put the HDMI jack right where the wall mount
kit would naturally interfere.


The cable is worth $29 max, and I even think that is high, and the
adapter is, at most, a $12 item.

You can blame Monster for the other vendors' greed though.
 
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RFI-EMI-GUY

Jan 1, 1970
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ChairmanOfTheBored said:
The cable is worth $29 max, and I even think that is high, and the
adapter is, at most, a $12 item.

You can blame Monster for the other vendors' greed though.

Its especially disturbing when you only need to run the cable 6 feet! I
mean how good does a 6 ft HDMI cable need to be? If the cheapest cable
can't go 6 ft there is something wrong with the HDMI spec.

--
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
"The RFI-EMI-GUY"©

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

"Follow The Money" ;-P
 
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krw

Jan 1, 1970
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I found the same problem when I bought my LCD panel. I was able to buy
an HDMI cable from the cable TV installer for a fraction of the price.
But, still overpriced at $50. Then I needed a $25 right angle adapter
because SONY decided to put the HDMI jack right where the wall mount
kit would naturally interfere.

HDMI cables should be $10, tops. I paid about $6 last November. No
way was I going to pay $70, or more, for a $3 cable. I hooked up
the TV with component cables until UPS came.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882893002
 
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ChairmanOfTheBored

Jan 1, 1970
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Its especially disturbing when you only need to run the cable 6 feet! I
mean how good does a 6 ft HDMI cable need to be? If the cheapest cable
can't go 6 ft there is something wrong with the HDMI spec.


The Blue jean cable site has custom lengths. Not sure if the molded on
connector, HDMI cables are in that mix.

IIRC, he has different gauges available. Down to 22 ga.

That has to be better than the 28 ga being claimed as 26 that is out
there. :-]
 
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ChairmanOfTheBored

Jan 1, 1970
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HDMI cables should be $10, tops. I paid about $6 last November. No
way was I going to pay $70, or more, for a $3 cable. I hooked up
the TV with component cables until UPS came.

I think some of us are just typical "I don't like this damned inflation
thing" people, because the connector prices alone would top $10, at the
retail level.

That, even if the maker gets them at $1.5 each for a million pieces,
which some do, and some don't. They pay about $4.00 each for them in most
cases.

The whole world took advantage of us on this one, and that "get it
while you can" attitude even trickled all the way down to the connector
makers themselves.

So you know that $10 is just too low for a shielded 6 conductor jumper
with gold plated connectors on it, in this century. I an sure there are
a few out there though...


Well... whatayaknow...

Stores are like yard sales. You look around until you find that one
or two items that are worth it. The rest is where they make their money
and count on customers that don't notice the prices or research their
purchases.

We'll never get custom or hand fabricated sets made at a price like
that New Egg shit. I'll likely buy some of those though. That is a good
buy if they don't screw you on shipping.
 
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ChairmanOfTheBored

Jan 1, 1970
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Perhaps, but the fact that you can buy plenty of, e.g., HDMI to DVI cables for
(well) under $10 *shipping included* from eBay suggests to me that anything
over $20 at a Wal*Mart-style brick and mortar store contains a *very*
significant profit margin.

Not likely as much as you might think for Wal Mart. Perhaps the maker
gets a bigger than usual margin too, and perhaps there is a distribution
house that even WalMart has to buy from... the ever-present middle-man
(like as with us and our groceries).

Either way, WE are the folks getting less for more. Hell, there isn't
even a cheap Asian source at the flea markets like there is with tools
and such. :-] I used to be able to find stuff at the flea markets. Now,
it's all sunglasses, swords & knives, kids' collectibles... other odd
junk. No really good stuff as often as in the past.

We are getting the Asian product, but paying twice what would be the
American price. These cables are NOT worth that much. Hell, we never
paid that much for BNC fitted RGB cables back when that was the sate of
the art, even in the labs. Even back when the dollar was worth a lot
more. This crap is simple Mfg process, and even molded on ends, so we
can't even service the friggin' things! If I pay that much for a cable,
I would want solder cups so I could service my own purchases product upon
any failure. Screw crimp on pins and sockets! :-]

Otherwise, it should be dirt cheap, as was stated by
KruddyRottenWeirdo.
Agreed... places like Best Buy compete based on having "big ticket" items such
as laptops and big-screen TVs priced with low margins and then make much
higher margins on cables and other accessories to make up for it.


We've had certain government customers ask us to provide them with a quote on
replacing the standard 6' IEC power cords we supply with our hardware with 15'
versions instead. We dutifully responded, coming up with a quote reflecting
our costs from, e.g., DigiKey, our own internal costs in processing, and some
margin... and they bought them! This is where your tax dollars are going...
to agencies where job duties are so narrowly defined that you have to go
through a pricey formal process to do something as simply as buying a longer
power cord!

Yeah... If possible, one should always get a sample or two first to
give it a look. Unfortunately, not all "Std." 10 Amp IEC line cords
"settle" in at the same temperature when they are passing ten Amps. Sad
that acceptance markings end up on products that do not comply... even
with the most rudimentary safety requisite conformances.
Come to think of it, a lot of big companies operate that way too...

Yet another democracy on the verge of falling prey to the same
corruptions that have haunted "democracies" throughout history.

Why in the **** do Presidential elections need to or have a requisite
for tens of millions of dollars or tens of tens. Lobbyism should be
rendered archaic in an information rich society like that of our world.

Enron was practically like Gabriel's Horn for those giving notice (or
should be).
 
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krw

Jan 1, 1970
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The pussy closet fag seems to be fascinated with playing with consumer
crap...

I am a consumer, yes Phyllis.
You don't know anything about electronics, and you're too stupid to
learn, so why do you post to SED? Worthless IBM dead wood...

Lying again, ehy Phyllis.
 
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krw

Jan 1, 1970
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We know that, closet fag, you people live to shop...



Another one-liner from the sniping worthless troll.

You don't know anything about electronics, and you're too stupid to
learn, so why do you post to SED?

You keep telling the same lies, Phyllis.
 
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