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Discussion in 'Boat Electronics' started by John Anderson, Feb 1, 2008.

  1. In my area, Lee County, IA, we have coyote hunters using
    marine channel 68. In Hancock County IL a similiar use of
    marine channel 69 is occurring.

    It has also been noted that truckers are using Marine ch 71
    and ch. 19A in the Ft Madison IA area.

    I wonder if any other posters have noticed such activity
    on Marine channels?

    John Anderson
    West Point, Iowa

    http://k0bkl.org/radio/coyote.htm
     
  2. This type of stuff has been going on since, FOREVER... but the FCC
    got rid of 90% of the Field Operations Staff, back in the early 90's,
    and there is no one listening, or enforcing, these rules on a regular
    basis currently. Vhf Marine Radios have become very inexpensive, and
    lots of folks find that they work a WHOLE LOT better than the FRS/GMRS
    radios, that were intended for these uses, because of the Frequency that
    they use. You can complain to the FCC in DC, but UNLESS they are
    interfering with Emergency or Safety Communications, the Field Staff
    really doesn't have the time, or ManPower, to deal with these types of
    Violations. Maybe you should write a Letter to ALGORE, as he was the
    DUFUS, that gutted the FCC Field Staff, with his "Reinvention of
    Government" Program at the FCC, back in the 90's, as Vice President.
     
  3. http://k0bkl.topcities.com/coyote.htm

    I moved the page.
     
  4. Larry

    Larry Guest

    When I was told, literally, to **** off by a boat dealer using marine
    VHF to run his business at a boat show, I called FCC and talked to the
    nice man who works in enforcement like Mr Hollingsworth. I gave him the
    dealer's name, address, phone number, etc., to help him. I was amazed
    when he called me back and said he'd had a conversation with the US
    Marshall's office who visited the dealer. I guess the dealer didn't
    tell the US Marshalls to **** off, like he did me. Because the dealer
    wasn't FCC licensed, he didn't come under FCC jurisdiction, so they sent
    the Marshalls. It must have worked. I don't hear them on Channel 12
    any more....(c;
     
  5. These users may be legal - you'd have to check the FCC frequency
    allocations to be sure.

    The marine VHF band is in the middle of the land mobile band - used by
    taxis, trucking companies, and other commercial radio services.

    Here in BC, it appears that the marine channels are only reserved for
    marine use on the coast. Elsewhere in the province, there are land
    mobile users assigned within the "marine" frequency range. (As the
    channel spacing for land mobile is different than for marine, the land
    users likely won't actually be on a marine channel, but will be close
    enough to be heard, or to interfere.) There are a few marine channels
    reserved for marine use on the interior lakes.
     
  6. When I was told, literally, to **** off by a boat dealer using marine

    A local Marine towing outfit in Ft Madison, IA uses Channel 11
    for their trucks running around town, or at least they did when
    I worked down there.

    I guess this is the new Citizens' Band ?
     
  7. They use Channel 68 or 69 in my area.
    Truckers have been heard on Ch. 71, and 19a

    Looks like they are using Marine Channels according to
    the FCC rules!

    Oh, well, keeps them off the 10 meter ham bands!
    A few years ago I heard outbanders on 28.085
    griping about people throwing carriers, but the "carriers"
    were hams on code transmission. With the tight bandwidth
    of cw receivers, the hams were probaly not even aware of
    the interlopers!
     
  8. FCC Field Agents do not have Arrest Powers, and if Criminal Charges are
    likely, then they go to the US Marshal Service, for the "Big Stick" end
    of the business, unless it happens to be a Marine Enforcement issue. Then
    the local USCG is the the "BIG Stick" I have had occasion to use both,
    when I was with the Commission as a Field Agent. And believe me, no one
    argues with a US Marshal, when he is out on an Enforcement Mission, and
    the same goes for a USCG Contingent.....
     
  9. Peter is right, in this case. There are "Some" Limited geographic
    locations, in the US, where the FCC HAS, granted Special Operations
    Licenses for non-Marine uses of Marine Frequencies. None of these
    type Permits, are allowed on Calling, Safety, Navigation, and Distress
    Frequencies, as per International Convention, that the US IS signatory
    to. Most of these Permits are limited to Specific Areas , where there
    are NO Navigable Waters, within 120 Miles in any direction from
    the perimeter of the Designated Area of Operation as specified on
    the Station License. Station Licenses and Station CALLSIGN
    Identification are REQUIRED, as per Station Licensing, and FCC Rule.
     
  10. Not necessarily - they could be using assigned land mobile frequencies
    that happen to be close enough to those marine channels that they can
    be heard on a standard marine radio. As I said, you'd have to check
    to see if the FCC has any land mobile allocations close to those
    marine channels for use in your area.
     
  11. Larry

    Larry Guest

    I knew someone in the pest control business in Greenville, SC, way up in
    the mountains where the band is truly dead. He ran the pest control
    business with Standard VHF marine radios for many years.

    I can tell you this because they're all dead, now....
     
  12. Larry

    Larry Guest

    All hams have to do is force the stupid ARRL goats to change the 10M
    bandplan to stop it all. Reserve the bottom 500Khz 28.0-28.5 for
    REPEATER outputs on NBFM...and reserve the top 500 Khz 29.2-29.7 for
    REPEATER INPUTS away from the CBer equipment. Powerhouse FM repeater
    outputs would easily keep the bottom end of 10M clear of SSB CBers, and
    we'd have GREAT FM repeater fun on the mostly-dead 10 meter band.
    There's plenty of room IN THE MIDDLE of 10M, away from the CB pirates,
    for the simplex stuff...CW, SSB, etc.

    Of course, stoic CW operators moving above the bottom 20 Khz of the band
    would simply have a heart attack over such a LOGICAL move....

    10M FM repeaters are loads of fun, especially when the band is open!
    29.620 repeater in Puerto Rico had great coverage over the whole East
    Coast and Caribbean for years.

    Sadly, Robert KD4PBC, who is a paging engineer by trade and was a paging
    company owner for years, here, THREW A PERFECTLY GOOD QUINTRON 500 WATT
    10M REPEATER INTO THE DUMPSTER, all crystalled up with hi stability
    precision oscillators and all in mint condition. Noone would put it on
    the air and he didn't have time. Very sad...pathetically so....

    73 DE LARRY W4CSC Charleston, SC.
     
  13. They are using marine radios on marine channels.
    A ham friend of mine has talked to them.
    They are arguing that they don't need licenses,
    and indeed, if the FCC does not have the money or
    manpower to go after them, then this activity, like the
    mess on CB will become legal by default!
     
  14. There is another possible answer to the above situation. There IS
    a Part 80 Classification of a Portable or Mobile Land Based Marine
    VHF Station. It is called a Marine Utility Coast Station when on
    Land and a Marine Utility Station when used on water. These are not
    easy to acquire, but they do exist and I have held both at one time or
    another. I have friends in the Marine Electronics Sales and Service
    bizz, that have these and have had them for years. Also Ship Pilots
    use these type Marine Licenses, for Portables, they use to communicate
    with the Pilot Boats, Ships, and Tugs.

    Bruce in alaska
     

  15. These coyote hunters have admitted to using Marine radios,
    no mistake about it. They would be legal if they were in
    jon boats instead of pickup trucks. But a Ford pickup truck
    does not meet that description!
     
  16. Larry

    Larry Guest

    Hurried move to start new job. He had to move a whole business very
    quickly and abandoned lots of stuff.
     
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