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  1. R Fernandes

    R Fernandes Guest

    The USPS has no record that your package, i.e. my board, was actually
    shipped out. I contacted them and they told me that their system would have
    been updated the very same evening at the latest if the package was shipped
    that day.
     
  2. Hugh Jass

    Hugh Jass Guest

    How bout you email the dude directly instead of telling all of us...

    Hugh Jass
     
  3. Robert Bass

    Robert Bass Guest

    Jim Rojas,

    Please call me ASAP. I have a client in Tampa who wants you to monitor his
    alarm system.

    --

    Regards,
    Robert L Bass

    =============================>
    Bass Home Electronics
    2291 Pine View Circle
    Sarasota · Florida · 34231
    877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
    http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
    =============================>
     
  4. alarman

    alarman Guest

    R Fernandes wrote
    Did you misspell Jim's name for the post office too?
    js
     
  5. G. Morgan

    G. Morgan Guest

    alt.security.alarms

    Did you tell the client why *you* are unable to monitor it?
     
  6. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest


    Rogas. Sounds like something that'll make your hair fall out!! :))
     
  7. Jim Rojas

    Jim Rojas Guest

    USPS is not as organized with their tracking like UPS or Fedex.
    USPS Priority Mail Tracking # 0103 8555 7492 5783 7814

    You should receive the package on Monday or Tuesday.

    Jim Rojas
     
  8. Robert Bass

    Robert Bass Guest

    Jim,

    If you want to pick up a monitoring contract in Tampa, give me a call.

    --

    Regards,
    Robert L Bass

    =============================>
    Bass Home Electronics
    2291 Pine View Circle
    Sarasota · Florida · 34231
    877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
    http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
    =============================>
     
  9. Norm Mugford

    Norm Mugford Guest

    Jim is much smarter than that Robert.

    Now that you make public your request, it
    could result in "aiding & abetting" unlicensed activity, if
    a Florida licensed contractor were to assist you in your
    unlicensed activities.
    You do not have a license in Florida as an alarm contractor, Mr. Bass!
    When your server was down, did it lose that part of your memory?

    Norm Mugford
     
  10. socko

    socko Guest

    Mr Bass should just go ahead and get a license. They are not that hard to
    get and I'm sure he would feel better operating on the side of the law.
    Then he would not have to waste so much time arguing with eveybody here
    about whether he needs one or not.
     
  11. Si Ballenger

    Si Ballenger Guest

    If you don't ned a license, then why get one if you are not doing
    any thing that requires one. If something illegal is being done,
    then report it. Numerous times in the past, the usual nameless
    goof-ball posters here have said they have filed complaints about
    this "illegal" activity with the Florida authoritys, and Robert
    would be out of business "real soon now". Hasn't happened and
    ain't gonna happen. Much past debate on the Florida (and Texas)
    statutes in the past (use google usenet search). Bottom line in
    Florida is that if you don't do alarm installatlion/wiring in a
    facility, or provide as a contractor to have alarm
    installation/wiring installed in a facility, then you don't need
    a license. As for alarm monitoring, Florida doesn't have any
    authority over monitoring facilities located out side of Florida,
    has no provisions for preventing persons in Florida from using
    monitoring facilities outside of Florida, and has no provisions
    for persons acting as brokers for alarm monitoring services. Best
    to save your energy and time for more productive and useful
    discussions.
     
  12. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    Mr Bass has a felony conviction and may not be able to get one, the endless
    debate here is if he needs one to sell security products online and in my
    opinion since he's still selling product after all this time it is doubtful
    one is required
     
  13. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest


    I don't think referring someone to a licensed company can be considered
    "aiding and abetting". He could even accept a "bird dog" (small gift for
    the referral) in return and he would still be within the law. If he were to
    actively *market* the service (and use a licensed contractor to provide that
    service), then you'd have something.


    --
    Frank Olson
    http://www.yoursecuritysource.com
    Free listings for qualified dealers and industry professionals
    You can read the ASA FAQ at
    http://www.yoursecuritysource.com/asafaq.htm
     
  14. Its like anything Legal it all comes down to the wording and the intent. A
    law may be broken but you have to show there was the intent to do so.
    I often see cases get thrown out becuse of all the mumbo jumbo in how a
    particular statute is written.

    We just had a case here were one of our mid 20s Volunteer Firefighters was
    gong around the community
    saying he was Asst. Fire Marshal for community and assiting the Fire Marshal
    with various cases. He even had a buisness card made up using my companys
    acronym saying he was my Chief Investigator.

    After confiring with the real Fire Marshal and DA office
    the young man was reprimanded and agreed to knock it off and never again
    use my company name .But no criminal charge of inpersonating a public
    servant could be filed becuse the way the statute was written we had to
    show his intent was to use the made up posistion to a fidiciary benefit or
    to opress the public which we could not.
    He was basicaly trying to impress the chicks. only legal recourse I had
    would have been to file civil suit against him and it was not worth the
    cost. luckily he got a good scare from DA and Fire Marshal and has chosen to
    leave the Fire Service all together.


    "Just when I thought I was starting to see the light at the end of the
    Tunnel it was only some Bastard with a Torch
    bringing me more work"


    --
    Nick Markowitz Jr.
    Owner
    Markowitz Electic Protection
    Private Industry Fire Investigator.

    Contributing Editor Pa. Firemans Magazine
    Staff Editor www.securitymission.com
    Senior Correspondant www.1strespondernews.com
    Exclusive Correspondant www.nbfd.us
    Contract Broadcast Engineer WAVL 910 AM apollo Pa.

    "To error is human to realy foul things up requires a computer"
     
  15. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest

    Even still all he might need is an agent license (depending on ahj) and a
    tax license. Where I live you don't even need an agent license unless you
    physically go into the client's home.

    And if he were just giving the account away - a referral (no compensation) I
    doubt anything is unlawful about it.


    You are correct. If he isn't going to "bill" Jim for his time (or the
    referral) then there's nothing illegal about what he's mentioned here. I
    know Bass well enough to realize the sole purpose of his posting this in
    this newsgroup was to stir things up a little. Tsk!!

    Now, if you ask me, *downloading* (programming a panel remotely) still
    constitutes *servicing*. Bass get's around the Licensing Statute by
    offering this "service" to all and sundry (whether they're his
    customers/clients, or not). Any end-user contemplating this should really
    consider using someone local (i.e. licensed in their jurisdiction) and
    paying the service fee. The old saying "you get what you pay for" applies
    to this industry as much as any other.

    --
    Frank Olson
    http://www.yoursecuritysource.com
    Free listings for qualified dealers and industry professionals
    You can read the ASA FAQ at
    http://www.yoursecuritysource.com/asafaq.htm
     
  16. Robert Bass

    Robert Bass Guest

    Pay him no mind. Mugford is a lying political hack. He has been
    threatening to bring charges of unlicensed activity for years but he knows
    full well his accusations are nonsense. I have told him before and I repeat
    it again. If he thinks I'm doing anything illegal I challenge him to bring
    charges.
    It isn't and he knows it. I have numerous clients throughout Florida who
    request monitoring service. They purchase their hardware from my online
    store and install it themselves. I refer them to reputable local installers
    such as Bob Worthy, Jim Rojas and a few others. Needless to say, I'd never
    suggest to someone that they do business with Mugford.
    There is more to the story, all right. Mugford is a liar and a dishonest
    businessman. He bragged to me in a private conversation how he had used his
    clout as a member of the ECLB to intimidate a client who was planning to
    hire a competitor. He has repeatedly made false statements in public about
    a competitor, completely disregarding the legal and ethical requirements of
    members of the ECLB.

    Once again I challenge Norman Mugford to bring charges. He won't of course.
    He'll just continue posting garbage in USENET. He is a prime example of the
    very worst there is in this industry.
     
  17. Robert Bass

    Robert Bass Guest

    Thanks, Si. One point needs clarification though. I don't broker alarm
    monitoring or installation services. If someone in Florida wants monitoring
    I refer them to dealers I know. I neither request nor accept anything in
    return. Let the idiot from the ECLB try to explain what's illegal about
    that.
     
  18. Robert Bass

    Robert Bass Guest

    | I don't think referring someone to a licensed
    | company can be considered "aiding and
    | abetting". He could even accept a "bird dog"
    | (small gift for the referral) in return and he
    | would still be within the law...

    I don't need referral fees. I make a living selling to DIYers. I offer
    monitoring outside Florida but it's really only a small fraction of my
    sales. Most DIYers don't want monitoring anyway.

    | If he were to actively *market* the service
    | (and use a licensed contractor to provide that
    | service), then you'd have something.

    On my website it clearly states that monitoring is not offered in Florida.
    I get calls occasionally from local folks who want me to go to their
    property to design, install or service a system. I refer them to local
    competitors. Aside from the licensing requirement, it's just not worth my
    time to go out and service or install an alarm. I can sell four or five DIY
    systems in the time it would take me to service just one.

    --

    Regards,
    Robert L Bass

    =============================>
    Bass Home Electronics
    2291 Pine View Circle
    Sarasota · Florida · 34231
    877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
    http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
    =============================>
     
  19. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest

    Of course not.

    You have no "local competitors", Robert. Your online store doesn't qualify
    as any sort of "competition" for an actual licensed Florida Alarm Dealer.
    But do please rant on. Your little diatribes, misleading phrases, and jibes
    are amusing (in small doses).
     
  20. rory

    rory Guest

    whats a licence anyway, just a piece of paper. We dont need them here
    currently though we are pushing for them starting the beginning of
    next year, or at least some sought of regulation, as everyone and
    their mums is doing alarm and CCTV installs here now.

    Rory
     
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