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Bill Sloman

Jan 1, 1970
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Paul Burridge said:
That wasn't what I was getting at, actually and there are better
diodes to use for sources of noise as you must surely know.

As far as I know, noise generator diodes are just avalanch break-down
diodes which have been selected and characterised for that particular
job.

Technically speaking, a "zener diode" with a breakdwn voltage higher
than about 8V is not a "Zener" diode, because it breakes down by the
avalanche mechanism, rather than the Zener mechanism, but the term
"zener" has been used for both for many years now.
Not where I'm coming from, I'm afraid.

Since we concluded that the zener diodes weren't oscillating, but
rather jittering, it might well be what you were on about.
 
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Winfield Hill

Jan 1, 1970
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Paul Burridge wrote...
Well I could, but that might cost me a Nobel Prize. If someone like
Jim Thompson reads my paper, he'd submit it to Nature first, and
thereby rob me of my rightful recognition. :)

The subject was a favorite among some bright physicists in the late
50s and early 60s. It was extensively researched and many excellent
detailed articles were written. But no Nobel prizes were awarded.

Go read the s.e.d. thread that Bill suggested for more details.

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com
 
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Paul Burridge

Jan 1, 1970
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The subject was a favorite among some bright physicists in the late
50s and early 60s. It was extensively researched and many excellent
detailed articles were written. But no Nobel prizes were awarded.

Go read the s.e.d. thread that Bill suggested for more details.

You mean it's already been discovered? D'oh! :(
When Jim Thompson ridiculed the idea I assumed I was there first.
 
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Winfield Hill

Jan 1, 1970
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Paul Burridge wrote...
You mean it's already been discovered? D'oh! :(

Remember Paul, it's one thing to discover something, it's quite
another to explain how it works in detail. That's what it takes
to gets people's attention.

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com
 
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Paul Burridge

Jan 1, 1970
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Remember Paul, it's one thing to discover something, it's quite
another to explain how it works in detail. That's what it takes
to gets people's attention.

Oh bugger. Well there must be something else I can discover, but I
think I'm kidding myself it would be anything in the 'electrical
field.' <g>
Maybe I'd better stick with the stuff I do actually know about. :-/
 
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Spehro Pefhany

Jan 1, 1970
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BER = Burridge Error Rate. Measured in number of usenet post per
error.

Isn't the mBER the more convenient unit? ;-)

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
 
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Winfield Hill

Jan 1, 1970
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Peter O. Brackett wrote...
James Early, RIP.

And besides the well known "Effect"... James Early also has a "Voltage"
named after him, the Early Voltage "Va".

I have always admired the way in which the virtual voltage "Va", in much
the same manner as "intermodulation intercept points" do in another field,
summarizes succinctly in a single number [Va] such a complicated "Effect".

Indeed. Speaking of succinct summaries using the Early voltage, there's
an interesting transistor-evaluation parameter used in IC processes, the
"beta-Va" product figure-of-merit. It's related to the fact that, other
things being equal, higher beta (narrow base width) forces a lower Early
voltage (high base-modulation effects), so that if an IC process can be
devised that allows both parameters to be high at the same time, it's a
better process. An early example of the issue would be Widlar's favorite
super-beta transistor, which had poor Early voltages and low breakdown
voltages, forcing the use of cascode stages wherever they were used.

Frank Goodenough of Electronics Design magazine used to write reports
on the beta-Va product for high-f_T transistors in new IC processes.
For example, in some cases the pnp transistors suffered especially-poor
beta-Va products. And advanced SiGe HBT transistors did very well.

Low Early-voltage transistors force designers to use cascode stages and
other space-consuming tricks to improve current sources and raise the
impedance of amplifier-stage collector outputs. These are important
issues for high gain, good linearity and improved accuracy.

Perhaps Jim can fill us in a bit on this convoluted scene.

BTW, I haven't been able to trace the original paper defining the Early
voltage, and calling it Va. I have Early's early papers :)>) and, IIRC,
it's not there directly, so it must have come later, perhaps contributed
by another person or by an evolving industry convention?

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com
 
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Kevin Aylward

Jan 1, 1970
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Winfield said:
Peter O. Brackett wrote...
James Early, RIP.

And besides the well known "Effect"... James Early also has a
"Voltage" named after him, the Early Voltage "Va".

I have always admired the way in which the virtual voltage "Va", in
much the same manner as "intermodulation intercept points" do in
another field, summarizes succinctly in a single number [Va] such a
complicated "Effect".

Indeed. Speaking of succinct summaries using the Early voltage,
there's an interesting transistor-evaluation parameter used in IC
processes, the "beta-Va" product figure-of-merit. It's related to
the fact that, other things being equal, higher beta (narrow base
width) forces a lower Early voltage (high base-modulation effects),
so that if an IC process can be devised that allows both parameters
to be high at the same time, it's a better process. An early
example of the issue would be Widlar's favorite super-beta
transistor, which had poor Early voltages and low breakdown
voltages, forcing the use of cascode stages wherever they were used.

Frank Goodenough of Electronics Design magazine used to write reports
on the beta-Va product for high-f_T transistors in new IC processes.
For example, in some cases the pnp transistors suffered
especially-poor beta-Va products. And advanced SiGe HBT transistors
did very well.

Low Early-voltage transistors force designers to use cascode stages
and other space-consuming tricks to improve current sources and
raise the impedance of amplifier-stage collector outputs. These are
important issues for high gain, good linearity and improved accuracy.

However... I have specfically chosen transistors with a low early
voltage in order to achive such a lower output resistance. This was to
broadband the stage so that its feedback loop was more stable.

Its all swings and roundabouts.

Best Regards,

Kevin Aylward
[email protected]
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

"That which is mostly observed, is that which replicates the most"
http://www.anasoft.co.uk/replicators/index.html

"quotes with no meaning, are meaningless" - Kevin Aylward.
 
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John Woodgate

Jan 1, 1970
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Kevin Aylward <kevindotaylwardEXTR
[email protected]> wrote (in <[email protected]
et>) about 'James Early dies', on Tue, 20 Jan 2004:
However... I have specfically chosen transistors with a low early
voltage in order to achive such a lower output resistance. This was to
broadband the stage so that its feedback loop was more stable.

H'mm. I bet the variation between devices isn't specified on the data
sheet! Murphy's Law says you'll get some with a much higher output
resistance than normal.
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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Peter O. Brackett wrote...
James Early, RIP.

And besides the well known "Effect"... James Early also has a "Voltage"
named after him, the Early Voltage "Va".

I have always admired the way in which the virtual voltage "Va", in much
the same manner as "intermodulation intercept points" do in another field,
summarizes succinctly in a single number [Va] such a complicated "Effect".

Indeed. Speaking of succinct summaries using the Early voltage, there's
an interesting transistor-evaluation parameter used in IC processes, the
"beta-Va" product figure-of-merit. It's related to the fact that, other
things being equal, higher beta (narrow base width) forces a lower Early
voltage (high base-modulation effects), so that if an IC process can be
devised that allows both parameters to be high at the same time, it's a
better process. An early example of the issue would be Widlar's favorite
super-beta transistor, which had poor Early voltages and low breakdown
voltages, forcing the use of cascode stages wherever they were used.

Frank Goodenough of Electronics Design magazine used to write reports
on the beta-Va product for high-f_T transistors in new IC processes.
For example, in some cases the pnp transistors suffered especially-poor
beta-Va products. And advanced SiGe HBT transistors did very well.

Low Early-voltage transistors force designers to use cascode stages and
other space-consuming tricks to improve current sources and raise the
impedance of amplifier-stage collector outputs. These are important
issues for high gain, good linearity and improved accuracy.

Perhaps Jim can fill us in a bit on this convoluted scene.

BTW, I haven't been able to trace the original paper defining the Early
voltage, and calling it Va. I have Early's early papers :)>) and, IIRC,
it's not there directly, so it must have come later, perhaps contributed
by another person or by an evolving industry convention?

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

Light base doping (relative to emitter) makes for higher beta.

This doping level determines the movement of the depletion layer...
lighter equals further.

Also thinner bases make for higher beta.

Thus thinner, lighter-doped bases have the worst Early effect.


I'll dig thru my old texts and see what I can find.

...Jim Thompson
 
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Kevin Aylward

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
I read in sci.electronics.design that Kevin Aylward


H'mm. I bet the variation between devices isn't specified on the data
sheet! Murphy's Law says you'll get some with a much higher output
resistance than normal.

This was for an i.c. design so I had all the worst case data. Secondly,
that's all in the wash of *correct* design. e.g. worst case says that a
particular device has, say, Va=100 at +/- 30% variation, and another
device is Va=50 at +/- 30% variation. Its irrelevant that there is some
overlap. One designs for the device nominal and its spread.

Kevin Aylward
[email protected]
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

"That which is mostly observed, is that which replicates the most"
http://www.anasoft.co.uk/replicators/index.html

"quotes with no meaning, are meaningless" - Kevin Aylward.
 
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Winfield Hill

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim Thompson wrote...
Light base doping (relative to emitter) makes for higher beta.

This doping level determines the movement of the depletion layer...
lighter equals further.

Also thinner bases make for higher beta.

Thus thinner, lighter-doped bases have the worst Early effect.

I'll dig thru my old texts and see what I can find.

How does one maximize the beta * Early-voltage product?

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim Thompson wrote...

How does one maximize the beta * Early-voltage product?

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

I do not know. I'll leave that to the Physics crowd. As a microchip
designer, I just live with the process/models that I'm provided.

But your proposal of BF*VA as a figure of merit is interesting.

Although, in my school of designing, beta is no big deal as long as
it's reasonable. Most of the time I mostly care about fT and low bulk
resistance in the emitter.

...Jim Thompson
 
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Russell Shaw

Jan 1, 1970
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Winfield said:
Jim Thompson wrote...


How does one maximize the beta * Early-voltage product?

Physical geometry for one. Use a long and lightly doped
collector epitaxial layer between the base and high-doped
collector metallization. The flux density, and hence total
flux and terminating charge imposed upon the surface of the
base layer is reduced, without increasing base width or
reducing base punch-thru voltage. Thus, d(base_charge)/d(Vcb)
is reduced. It increases Rcb' and quasi-saturation Rcb'
modulation effects tho. That method increases Early voltage.
Base doping profiling to minimize recombination increases
beta. 2D/3D second-order geometry fringing effects can affect
both.
 
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Active8

Jan 1, 1970
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From now on, it will be known as the "Late Early Effect."

-- Mike --
I wanted to ask if he shouldn't be called the late Early, but
figured it would be better to let the body go cold and be planted
before I started cracking jokes about the dead, 'specially since he
was well respected in life.
 
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