On 24 Sep 2003 00:15:05 -0700,
[email protected] (N. Thornton) wrote:
Either a thermal or combustion power generator or maybe quasiturbine
at each house, or at nearby power company substations.
Which? Which are you saying is
available
cheap
reliable
safe
and maintenance free? I get the disctinct impression you dont know,
but am happy to listen.
If the latter,
how many and where is up to them,
tell us your plan
it might only be used for long
distance power transmission.
whats your plan?
Nuke plants as they exist to day in the USA are not even remotely
close to being energy efficient, yet they are cost efficient and turn
a profit. But from the power conversion standpoint, Its highly
inefficient without even considering the fact that fuel is not getting
reprocessed, and the breeder reactors are not being utilized to fuel
the light water reactors. If what you said was true then all nuke
plants would have to be closed down, or would never have been built in
the first place.
2 separate issues.
1. When nukes were built they were built to produce war fuel, and the
cost was justified by that return. The first plant actually consumed
more leccy than it generated.
2. Nuke plants today pay, and your scheme doesnt, by miles.
You have no idea what the economics are, obviously.
I have done the numbers for it, and its comically unfeasible. - Unless
you can pull a _very_ clever rabbit out the hat to make it work. Given
your lack of knowledge I find that unlikely.
If you did, you
would know that the costs are not any real issue.
They are THE issue. That's usually the way in business.
Unless they are so
expensive that not even governments or oil companies can afford to
build them,
With nukes the govt had a reason to build them, so as you say cost was
secondary. With your scheme there is no reason other than power
output, governments have no other interest in this idea. They dont pay
so they wont be financing them. That leaves it down to businesses
banks and investors. But if it doesnt pay, no go.
then the only real determining factor is how long until
return on the investment.
Your plan could never even pay 10% of its cost back in its lifetime.
Its financially dead duck like.
If power output can be built up quickly for
a low or moderate or even high initial cost, and the power gets sold
to generate income, and the income pays for the land, equipment,
labor, and materials used in the construction in a reasonably short
period of time are the only considerations.
It doesn't, and never does. Do the numbers if you want to claim it
does, show us.
Perhaps, perhaps not, it depends on what the power company finds most
efficient.
No, it depends on the sale price of the power. No-one will buy power
at over a dollar a watt, full stop.
Only a fool passes up a business opportunity. There are stll
investors left, if good enough workable ideas can be produced.
If, yes, but this isn't.
Without knowing the details of the project, thats a little premature.
You've told me all I need to know. You have a proposal thats been
looked at by many and always proven extremely impractical, and you
have nothing more thana vague idea, no numbers, no concrete design.
Hopefully you aren't always like that.
With dud ideas, yes. If you're capable you can learn the problems with
this one and come up with something beter, then something better, etc.
If you stick with this, you're going nowhere. Just learn how to
evaluate and where the problems are.
And understand this is one area where even the leading experts cant be
expected to come up with much. Its a very very tough field.
Your idea produces intermittent power. It is neither baseline nor
peaking plant: you will thus get a low price for the power at best.
The idea needs to pay.
It needs numbers on it to see how much land, how much money, how much
investment, return, run costs, any other issues...
and finally it needs a real concrete design.
Same as for nuclear power, when the plants were built they were
ridiculously priced and hopelessly inefficient. But they had a
reasonable return on investment, nevertheless.
their return was war fuel, not electricity.
Same goes for deep
undersea oil rigs.
they have a so many percent success rate, with huge return on the
successful ones. They pay.
Let me guess, you are a green.
Address the issue. Don't wander off into personalities. If you want to
get somewhere.
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That doesn't do your cred any favours either.
Regards, NT