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Is microprocessor an integrated circuit???

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yogesh

Jan 1, 1970
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Is microprocessor an integrated circuit???

regards,
ypj
 
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Fred Bloggs

Jan 1, 1970
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yogesh said:
Is microprocessor an integrated circuit???

regards,
ypj

Get lost!- and don't post to this newsgroup again.
 
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Mark Jones

Jan 1, 1970
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Jamie said:
oh have a heart! :/


Yogesh might be a 5-year-old boy... we don't know. That's the thing
about google-groups - anyone can post there - they don't have to be
old-school, professional usenet denziens like us. Play nice, Fred! :)

Yogesh should go to ibiblio.org/obp/electricCircuits/ and learn some
basics there. That ought to keep him busy for awhile.
 
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Bradley1234

Jan 1, 1970
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Answer: it can be. Some microprocessors are made with discrete components,
but most today are integrated circuits, meaning the components have been
built onto one circuit

Microprocessor means: micro programmed processor such that instructions are
processed by referencing internal memory locations and there is a processor
within a processor.

Most commercial microprocessors are general purpose, meaning the instruction
set gives developers methods to move/control data, but some uPs are specific
and have a limited/specific instruction set
 
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Keith Williams

Jan 1, 1970
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Answer: it can be. Some microprocessors are made with discrete components,
but most today are integrated circuits, meaning the components have been
built onto one circuit

Microprocessor means: micro programmed processor such that instructions are
processed by referencing internal memory locations and there is a processor
within a processor.
Yikes!

Most commercial microprocessors are general purpose, meaning the instruction
set gives developers methods to move/control data, but some uPs are specific
and have a limited/specific instruction set
 
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TCS

Jan 1, 1970
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Answer: it can be. Some microprocessors are made with discrete components,
but most today are integrated circuits, meaning the components have been
built onto one circuit
Microprocessor means: micro programmed processor such that instructions are
processed by referencing internal memory locations and there is a processor
within a processor.

No it doesn't. It means micro-sized processor. What you're describing also
includes the vax-11/780 whose processor board was hardly a microprocessor.

A microprocessor is nearly always a single chip processor; first one was the
4004; following were the 8080, 6800, 1802, etc. I don't bit slice processors
could be considered a microprocessor.
 
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TCS

Jan 1, 1970
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No it doesn't. It means micro-sized processor. What you're describing also
includes the vax-11/780 whose processor board was hardly a microprocessor.

and by the way, most 8 bit microprocessors weren't microprogrammed. Their
instructions units were hard wired.
 
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Bradley1234

Jan 1, 1970
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TCS said:
No it doesn't. It means micro-sized processor. What you're describing also
includes the vax-11/780 whose processor board was hardly a microprocessor.


Yes, the 11/780 cpu was a microprocessor. Who on earth came up with micro
sized processor? Why not micro stereotypical processor?

A microprocessor is nearly always a single chip processor; first one was the
4004; following were the 8080, 6800, 1802, etc. I don't bit slice processors
could be considered a microprocessor.

no, the first commercially sold IC microprocessor was the 4004, but there
was one built for a dumb terminal that predates it. Bit slice are
microprocessors, why wouldnt they be?
 
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Bradley1234

Jan 1, 1970
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microprocessor.

and by the way, most 8 bit microprocessors weren't microprogrammed. Their
instructions units were hard wired.

You will want to revise the last sentence.

The instruction units were hard wired with... microprogramming. The
instruction is fetched and what happens? it references a memory inside the
cpu, a processor within a processor running micro code
 
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Keith Williams

Jan 1, 1970
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You will want to revise the last sentence.

The instruction units were hard wired with... microprogramming. The
instruction is fetched and what happens? it references a memory inside the
cpu, a processor within a processor running micro code

Nope. No microprogramming. The logic was hard wired. No control-
store, no microprogramming. Not all processors are microcoded.
 
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Keith Williams

Jan 1, 1970
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Yes, the 11/780 cpu was a microprocessor. Who on earth came up with micro
sized processor? Why not micro stereotypical processor?

What color is the sky on your planet?
no, the first commercially sold IC microprocessor was the 4004, but there
was one built for a dumb terminal that predates it. Bit slice are
microprocessors, why wouldnt they be?

Simple answer; Because they're not single-chip.

Microprocessor == single chip processor.
 
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TCS

Jan 1, 1970
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Yes, the 11/780 cpu was a microprocessor. Who on earth came up with micro
sized processor? Why not micro stereotypical processor?


BULLSHIT. The 11/780 was a minicomputer.
 
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Bradley1234

Jan 1, 1970
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TCS said:
No they weren't. They were hardwired via logic.


This is simply not accurate. Microprocessors typically operate with
instruction and data fetch modes. When an instruction fetch takes place,
the op code causes a branch to an internal memory of the internal cpu state
machine, running on an internal clock. This sets off a process where the
data portion of the instruction or subsequent fetches or registers are used
to manipulate data, or they set some status within the cpu state machine

There is no simple hardwired logic, there is a stored program, a
"microprogram" within the cpu that will "crack" the instruction like a
walnut and see whats inside and eat it if its fresh.

Microinstructions can be 100 bits wide, or for an 8-bit? I dont recall maybe
something like 43 bits wide, it depends.

When there is a micro engine, using micro instructions, stored in microcode
memory, its a micro processor. There is a clock, internal microcode address
generator, next address logic, mux. Can you name any 8 bit cpu that uses
only hard wired logic??
 
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TCS

Jan 1, 1970
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This is simply not accurate. Microprocessors typically operate with
instruction and data fetch modes. When an instruction fetch takes place,
Which is irrelevent to wether or not a processor is microcoded.

the op code causes a branch to an internal memory of the internal cpu state
machine, running on an internal clock. This sets off a process where the
data portion of the instruction or subsequent fetches or registers are used
to manipulate data, or they set some status within the cpu state machine
again, irrelevent.

There is no simple hardwired logic, there is a stored program, a wrong.


"microprogram" within the cpu that will "crack" the instruction like a
walnut and see whats inside and eat it if its fresh.
Or it can be done with combinational logic.


Microinstructions can be 100 bits wide, or for an 8-bit? I dont recall maybe
something like 43 bits wide, it depends.
or not at all.


When there is a micro engine, using micro instructions, stored in microcode
memory, its a micro processor. There is a clock, internal microcode address
generator, next address logic, mux. Can you name any 8 bit cpu that uses
only hard wired logic??

Some microprocessors have a microcoded instruction decoder. So do some
minicomputers.
 
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TCS

Jan 1, 1970
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TCS said:
The system would be a "minicomputer" some want to say its a mainframe. But
I specifically wrote that the 11/780 "CPU" was a microprocessor because it
executes an internal stored microcode processor


You can post that it is a can of grapes, but that doesn't make it so.

The vax-11/780 was not a microprocessor. Using microcode does not make a
microprocessor.

There are many examples of microprocessors that didn't use microcode.
 
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