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Is it really that tough out there ? FIRED !

Discussion in 'Electronic Repair' started by [email protected], Jan 30, 2008.

  1. Guest

    Well my new/old job did not last very long. Guy quit and they were
    happy actually that I did have the time to come back. They did fill
    the position, and thanked me for filling in. I never expected nor
    wanted to go back full time with them. Not that I don't like the job,
    but it is 46 miles instead of 15.

    So they got this guy there, seems alright. He is getting some work
    done but I guess he doesn't know much about RPTVs. OK, so that is my
    job while he works on what he can fix. Seems logical to me.

    But the story on him interests me, see he used to work for an ASC, and
    he got fired for breaking a dud part. Now the thing is, a long time
    ago I used to work for that place. They are tough. But I also got a
    bit of an education there. But even at my young age I gave some
    education to some as well.

    To date myself, and let you know my age, well, oh well. But I will.
    They used to send one guy to all the seminars, and he was quite good
    at re-presenting the information. Well I remember the day when he
    presented the lowdown on MTS, thaty was when it first came out and we
    had to know it.

    As many know the L-R in NTSC MTS is noise reduced by DBX as well as a
    spectral modulation similar to Dolby.

    I was the Junior tech, exept for one who was desitned to stay a Junior
    tech, and at the mini-seminar a Senior tech asked what DBX was. I
    replied "for transmission, it makes the soft sounds louder and the
    loud sounds softer, on reception it does the reverse, making loud
    sounds louder and soft sounds softer". He asked "how do you know
    that ?".

    How the hell do you respond to that ?

    Anyways, this guy is replacing the display in a plasma. They are an
    ASC and probably the only type of people/company who will ever do
    this. Well. he cracked the dud.

    Now I could see "this is bad, it just cost you your next raise" or
    something like that. But to fire him ?

    People **** up maintaining jets and shit and do not lose their job
    over it. People **** up designing the junk goods, including cars that
    Americans buy, and don't lose their job over it. Cops and doctors ****
    up and people are DEAD because of it and they do not lose their job.

    JURB
     
  2. PeterD

    PeterD Guest

    Depends on how he cracked it... The answer is in the details which you
    didn't provide. I'm sure that there is a *lot* more to the story than
    getting canned for a one-time accident or mistake.
     
  3. Guest

    A buddy of mine went back to work at a state office building in the
    maintnance department, for three days a week.Before that, he was working
    there five days a week.It wasen't long before his boss had him back on
    five days a week.He said this summer he is going to tell his boss four
    days a week or he is going to quit.
    cuhulin
     
  4. AJ

    AJ Guest

    Specific tech from out nation wide company was considered to have a bad
    attitude and was let go. Major problem was he tended to vent his vocal
    feelings while on the job, i. e. in customer's residences. Gent was about 10
    days behind sending cores and duds out and had a slight problem "K.P" his
    company van.
    My responce was to contact the first tech, who has already voiced his
    opinion about coming back (Very attimately Negative) and eat crow if they
    actually want him to return.
     
  5. Terry F.

    Terry F. Guest

    No, that's right. They get sued instead.
     
  6. b

    b Guest

    a clear cut case of why unions were formed and why they are so
    necessary still.
    welcome to the wonders of industrial relations in a market
    economy.....
     


  7. Bullshit. If electronic repair was a union job, no one on earth
    could afford to repair anything. I worked at a union defense
    contractor, and equipment ended up scrapped, because they couldn't
    decide who was to make a repair. I worked in 'Quality Assurance' on the
    PRC-77. My first night on the job the union steward got in my face,
    telling me the long list of things that I wasn't allowed to do. I
    reminded her that my job was not union, and I didn't want to do my work,
    and theirs. More than once, the head of production "Borrowed" me to
    "Instruct" his union workers on how to repair things like the gearbox
    for the PRC-77 tuner, or how to solder large items to a PC board without
    damage.

    Now, tell me how many 'Union' TV shops there WERE?



    BTW, that union went on strike in the late '60s, demanding a double
    digit pay increase. The company went to Mexico and built a 'module'
    plant to build subassemblies. By the time they finished their pissing
    match, the people who still had a job went back at exactly half of what
    they were making before that strike, and over half the jobs stayed in
    Mexico.
    --
    Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
    prove it.
    Member of DAV #85.

    Michael A. Terrell
    Central Florida
     
  8. b

    b Guest

    ....says who? Open your eyes - the REAL reason nobody can afford to
    repair anything is because the electronics industry is allowed to do
    what it likes, building ever cheaper consumer items for which spares
    are at best hideously expensive or at worst not even available.
    Result: the company directors and a few shareholders make more, whilst
    the consumer suffers and has to foot the bill for the environmental
    costs of this stupidity. Unions are not always perfect i admit, but
    at least in their presence abusive treatment of workers like the OP
    described would be less common. Don't know about you, but I believe
    that profit is not more important than people.
    the only thing that this proves is you had a weak government who
    allowed this shameful corporate behaviour to go on at the expense of
    the citizens who elected it and whose interests it was supposed to be
    representing. Funny how , in the neoliberal ideology, capital can
    cross borders freely but people can't....
     

  9. Okay, I'll admit it! I'm sick and tired of trying to deprogram
    union stooges.


    It is the consumer's fault that so much throw away crap is built,
    because they are too stupid and too cheap to buy quality, repairable
    equipment. At my last job we built telemetry receivers that sold for
    $20,000 to $80,000 each. Our customers didn't question the price, they
    wanted reliable, supportable equipment. if the electronics industry
    was 100% union a desktop computer wouldn't even exist, because more
    union workers would be needed to build mechanical adding machines ant
    typewriters. I had the IBEW try to unionize the cable TV company I
    worked for. They GUARANTEED me $2.50 an hour less than I was making, a
    week's less vacation, no unwanted overtime and several other useless
    things that would have cost me about $8,000 a year in lower income and
    dues to join. They told the field techs they wouldn't have to work on
    the cold wet Cincinnati nights when we had major temperature related
    outages, or those really hot, muggy afternoons during the summer. Or
    that they had to be good at their jobs, because they would strike the
    company if anyone was fired. We would have been out of business in a
    month.


    The thing you have absolutely no clue about is that repair is nothing
    like manufacturing. VERY little repair work is EVER done on a
    production line. Each repair is a different brand, a different model,
    with different problems. If you think a union shop could make money and
    keep customers happy, you're brain dead.


    This will continue as long as people are happy forking over their
    cash for trash, knowing full well that 95% or more isn't worth taking
    home, for free. It started with the cheap stereos, TVs and CB radios
    back in the late '60 and early '70s and has got ever worse as people no
    longer expected anything to last, or even work very well. It was CHEAP,
    and that was all that mattered.


    Don't try to put words in my mouth, stooge. You don't even have the
    guts to use your name online, yet you are trying to preach your ignorant
    unionism crap. My first job was in a TV shop when I was 13. I worked
    full time at another shop (That also did industrial electronics) for two
    years after I graduated. Then I was called up for the draft. I was
    given five separate 4F ratings for health problems, but they drafted me
    anyway, because of my electronics background. While in basic training,
    I tested out of the three year course US Army electronics school at Ft.
    Monmoth and was awarded the M.O.S. of broadcast engineer. I worked with
    CATV headends, CARS, and weather equipment, RADAR, the world's first
    emergency alert system that took control of 13 CATV systems around Ft.
    Rucker and delivered emergency information on all 12 channels on all the
    systems. I have built a TV station from an empty building, moved radio
    stations, and built studios.

    I worked as a broadcast engineer in both radio & TV, owned and
    operated an industrial electronics repair business for years, repaired
    computers to the component level, sold and serviced business radio
    systems, did Quality Assurance in an electronics defense plant, and at
    the end of my career, I worked as a production and engineering test tech
    for the world leader in modular telemetry equipment. Have you ever done
    anything but push unions? Do you know why it was so hard to remove car
    radios for repair? The union fought the change to a through the dash
    design that could be done by a single employee, rather than the six
    people the current system used. That drove up the price of US built
    cars, along with other stupid union labor intensive steps that slowed
    production, lowered quality and allowed the imports to take over the
    market.


    Allow it? They were all for it. They needed the radios and
    shipboard RADAR equipment for the US military, and the idiot union was
    determined to stay out for years. The idiots in the union told them
    they couldn't be replaced, because all their jobs required VERY high
    skill levels. Two weeks after the plant in Mexico opened, former farm
    workers were doing quite well at their jobs. You truly are a
    brainwashed union stooge.


    BTW, you should be out there kissing Obama's union loving ass instead
    of wasting our time on a repair newsgroup.


    --
    Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
    prove it.
    Member of DAV #85.

    Michael A. Terrell
    Central Florida
     
  10. James Beck

    James Beck Guest

    All a "union" is, is a government sanctioned way to wrest control of a
    company from the rightful owner.

    What was the last figures from Detroit? The average auto maker has
    $1500 dollars worth of health care costs and $1500+ in retirement
    dollars in $10,000 worth of product. No wonder they want socialized
    medicine and retirement. It transfers that liability to the taxpayer.
    Where did that cost come from? Yep, union coercion. When we ran the
    numbers here it is about $30 per 10K of product. So, the $1500 isn't
    even funny, it is OBSCENE!
    BUT, you will never get a union monkey to change its' mind. They ruined
    some of the biggest and best companies in the world and then bitch when
    the jobs go elsewhere. Go figure.


    Jim
     
  11. I agree that the average consumer doesn't understand much about what he's
    buying, and too often chooses price over quality. But I'm not sure his
    ignorance and "cheapness" explains why modern products are designed the way
    they are.

    If you compared a hand-held CB transceiver of 45 years ago with a modern
    amateur handy-talky, you'd note a roughly thousand-fold increase in circuit
    complexity. The amateur transceiver is impossible to build with discrete
    components. It requires complex ICs and hundreds of tiny SMDs crammed onto a
    tiny board. Such products, regardless of their quality, are inherently
    difficult to service.

    It's not possible to return to easily serviced products, because we'd have
    to go back to simple, unsophisticated devices.

    One other point... There's nothing wrong -- other than wasting natural
    resources (!!!) -- with really cheap products that can't be serviced. As
    long as they last a reasonable amount of time, you can toss them and buy a
    new one without feeling you've wasted your money. And let's not forget that
    technology changes so rapidly that products are sometimes subjectively
    obsolete before they have time to fail.

    What bothers me is _expensive_ items (such my Palm PDA and iRiver jukebox)
    that I expect to last at least a decade, and be repairable at a
    not-too-unreasonable price (eg, half the price of an equivalent new
    product). I consider these to be long-term investments, and expect the
    manufacturer to support them.

    PS: I am, in general, pro-union. Unions will disappear when businesses start
    treating their employees as business partners, rather than as a disposable
    "resource".
     
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  13. James Beck

    James Beck Guest

     
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  15. b

    b Guest

    Quite agree. this is the crux of the whole issue.

    Sadly, this is lost on so many ignorant, foul mouthed people like
    Micahel Terrell, who seem only capable of ranting and foaming at the
    mouth about 'union stooges ' and telling anyone who supports the right
    of employees to organise themselves to 'kiss obama'a ass'.

    -B
     
  16. I once worked for a company that stated -- on a poster -- that they didn't
    like unions, and would do anything to keep unions out of their company,
    including, but not limited to, treating their employees properly.

    I don't think Michael is so much anti-union as he is against the
    government's vigorous support of union rights.
     
  17. clifto

    clifto Guest

    The employees don't WANT to be partners. Partners share the bad parts with
    the good. Auto industry employees become part of the bad parts, because when
    the bad parts come, they force the industry to indemnify them from the bad
    parts.
     
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  20. James Sweet

    James Sweet Guest


    The US auto industry is a shining example of this. There are good things
    about unions, but it seems they often become greedy to the point of driving
    their business into the ground. If my field unionized, every one of our jobs
    would be outsourced to India before we knew what hit us. I don't mind being
    non-union, if I don't like the way I'm being treated as an employee, I
    resign and get a job elsewhere. I've done it before and doubt that will be
    the last time in my career.
     
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