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Tom Gardner

Jan 1, 1970
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Well, I don't really have any INTELLIGENT questions but I have some dumb
ones. First, here is my situation:

I have old 15k' light mfg building in the Cleveland inner city. I have been
broken into 15 times this year alone. We have an ADT system with 3 PIRs, 1
Dualtech, door switches and fire system connections. We have an armed guard
service that tours the building every few hours and has almost caught the
thieves a couple of times. The thieves can hear the main gate opening and
they run. The Cleveland Police has staked-out the building on numerous
occasions without joy. I have researched many security solutions and
upgrades and am most inclined to use a video system. One of the limiting
factors is that we have cats on duty in the building thus limiting our dumb
sensors. The other BIG advantage other than security is monitoring and
recording workcenter activity with the intention of improving efficiencies,
supplement training, reduce shrinkage, record injury circumstances and see
just what those silly cats do at night.

The end product I want is:
1. Selectable, robust motion detection areas that will be cat-immune
but record face identifiable footage of criminal activity and trigger my ADT
system.
2. Constant recording of selectable work activities.
3. An easy to use, robust, low-maintenance, non-twitchy, good-feeling
system that does not have too many capabilities that I will never use but
has most of the capabilities I DO want, at a reasonable cost.
4. Administration of system through our tcp/ip computer network.

We can internally handle installation and computer related issues with no
problem. I have been looking at various websites of DVR cards and related
equipment and will pull the trigger as soon as I am sure of what I want and
need and find a vendor that I have confidence in. I see the full spectrum of
ebay vendors to stuff that is WAY out of my range with capabilities I will
never need. I believe that eight cameras would more than cover the internal
views I need but I don't know if I might like to expand to accommodate
external views and coverage of some areas with different angles or
magnification.

I haven't submitted a budget range yet as I am unsure what I will use. The
prices vary so much, I know some of the stuff is crap and some is just WAY
over-priced...I haven't figured out the sweet spot yet. A few local
companies I have called knew nothing about DVR systems. Most of the on-line
vendors I have e-mailed with questions haven't responded...they're out of
the running, they must not want my money.

Just what is the difference between a Geovision 800 for $700 and a off-brand
with similar specs for $210? Does every DVR card demand an Intel or can I
use an AMD? What cameras can I be happy with? What's a reasonable budget
number for everything excluding labor? What stuff should I avoid like the
plague? What features are necessary, too cool not to have, or just plain
cheesecake? Are there any recommendations for vendors?

Thanks, next time I might have intelligent questions!
 
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pcbutts1

Jan 1, 1970
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What you need is our Sharpvision system. It does everything you want. Stay
away from Geovision (simply because they are a competitor) We use Intel
chips in our Motherboards and Philips on our cards. Intel because they have
better video quality. Two years ago we used AMD's but there was a video
flickering that could not be fixed, Intel does not have this issue. Our
prices are fair with excellent tech support. Check out both of these sites,
they both have live demos so you can see the quality of our High-definition
systems.
http://www.seedsv.com/products.htm
http://www.seedsv.com/webdemo.htm
http://www.sharpvisioncctv.com/
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The best live web video on the internet http://www.seedsv.com/webdemo.htm
NEW Embedded system W/Linux. We now sell DVR cards.
See it all at http://www.seedsv.com/products.htm
Sharpvision simply the best http://www.seedsv.com
 
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Jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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Tom, are you looking to just record the crime, or actually stop it?
I can give you a few ideas that will actually stop it.
If you like, I can send you an email explaining it. There are some better
option for your dilemma.

Jack
 
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Tom Gardner

Jan 1, 1970
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E-mail away! Remove the (nospam) from my address.
 
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Tom Gardner

Jan 1, 1970
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Quote your stuff!

pcbutts1 said:
What you need is our Sharpvision system. It does everything you want. Stay
away from Geovision (simply because they are a competitor) We use Intel
chips in our Motherboards and Philips on our cards. Intel because they
have better video quality. Two years ago we used AMD's but there was a
video flickering that could not be fixed, Intel does not have this issue.
Our prices are fair with excellent tech support. Check out both of these
sites, they both have live demos so you can see the quality of our
High-definition systems.
http://www.seedsv.com/products.htm
http://www.seedsv.com/webdemo.htm
http://www.sharpvisioncctv.com/
--


The best live web video on the internet http://www.seedsv.com/webdemo.htm
NEW Embedded system W/Linux. We now sell DVR cards.
See it all at http://www.seedsv.com/products.htm
Sharpvision simply the best http://www.seedsv.com
 
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pcbutts1

Jan 1, 1970
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Standard DVR cards and prices
http://www.sharpvisioncctv.com/dvrcards.htm

Mpeg4 Hardware compression Hi-Definition DVR cards and prices
http://www.sharpvisioncctv.com/dvrcards.htm#mpegsystem

H.264 Hybird compression part hardware part software dvr cards and prices
http://www.sharpvisioncctv.com/dvrcards.htm#h264system

Standard DVR systems with prices
http://www.sharpvisioncctv.com/DVR_Systems.htm

High definition systems with prices
http://www.sharpvisioncctv.com/HD_DVR_Systems.htm

Sharpvision Embedded Digital surveillance system
http://www.sharpvisioncctv.com/Embedded DVR.htm

Mobile DVR
http://www.sharpvisioncctv.com/Mobile dvr system.html




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The best live web video on the internet http://www.seedsv.com/webdemo.htm
NEW Embedded system W/Linux. We now sell DVR cards.
See it all at http://www.seedsv.com/products.htm
Sharpvision simply the best http://www.seedsv.com
 
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J. Sloud

Jan 1, 1970
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Since you have the ADT alarm, have you considered asking them about
the DVR? They probably install more CCTV than anyone in the country.
You'd want to talk to their engineered systems division.

To answer your questions:

1. The typical pixel change motion detection built into most DVR's
will be tripped by your cats. Some DVR's are being introduced in the
near future with intelligent motion detection that can analyze motion
and determine the source. Until then, the best option may be a
stanalone video analysis system like VideoIQ from GE or ObjectVideo's
VEW. This, of course, depends on your budget.

2. DVR cards vs. commercial off-the-shelf DVR's: The most expensive
part of any DVR is the hard drive space. You really don't save much
by bying a card and supplying the PC yourself.

3. Embedded OS versus Window: Check out GE Kalatel's StoreSafe and
DVRMe models and Bosch's Divar 2. Compare these with the PC based
machines. Both offer TCP/IP connectivity and free remote client
software.

Look into remote video monitoring services. ADT offers alarm
verification that ties the security alarm into the CCTV systems so
their operators can view your cameras if you have an alarm. They can
then determine the threat and provide information to you or police.
With the right system, this is only $180 extra per year.


http://www.objectvideo.com/products/

http://www.geindustrial.com/ge-interlogix/kalatel/videoiq.html
 
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pcbutts1

Jan 1, 1970
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Not true with our system. Cats can be excluded from detection along with
anything else. I saw the VideoIQ from GE at the ISC show in Vegas earlier
this year. At first glance it looked very impressive but after prodding the
salesman with technical questions and testing it myself, it is buggy and
unreliable.

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The best live web video on the internet http://www.seedsv.com/webdemo.htm
NEW Embedded system W/Linux. We now sell DVR cards.
See it all at http://www.seedsv.com/products.htm
Sharpvision simply the best http://www.seedsv.com
 
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J. Sloud

Jan 1, 1970
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Not true with our system. Cats can be excluded from detection along with
anything else. I saw the VideoIQ from GE at the ISC show in Vegas earlier
this year. At first glance it looked very impressive but after prodding the
salesman with technical questions and testing it myself, it is buggy and
unreliable.

I'm interested in exactly how your system detects motion and
determines what is a real alarm. What type of technology do you use?
How does it work?
 
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pcbutts1

Jan 1, 1970
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It uses pixels but you can mask off any area you want to detect motion or
not detect motion. Then you can adjust the selected areas sensitivity by
rate of motion or shade. A cat will not generate the same rate of motion or
shade as a human. The GE guy thought he was slick, on their system they had
a guy climbing a fence with a freeway in the background. They masked the
area around the freeway and set a high rate of motion for that area and a
low rate for the fence so it looked as if it was only detecting the human.
We adjust for day and night shading by automatically changing the
sensitivity settings per camera by time of day.

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The best live web video on the internet http://www.seedsv.com/webdemo.htm
NEW Embedded system W/Linux. We now sell DVR cards.
See it all at http://www.seedsv.com/products.htm
Sharpvision simply the best http://www.seedsv.com
 
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J. Sloud

Jan 1, 1970
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It uses pixels but you can mask off any area you want to detect motion or
not detect motion. Then you can adjust the selected areas sensitivity by
rate of motion or shade. A cat will not generate the same rate of motion or
shade as a human. The GE guy thought he was slick, on their system they had
a guy climbing a fence with a freeway in the background. They masked the
area around the freeway and set a high rate of motion for that area and a
low rate for the fence so it looked as if it was only detecting the human.
We adjust for day and night shading by automatically changing the
sensitivity settings per camera by time of day.

The GE system is one of many intelligent video software packages that
attempts to learn the environment and to make decisions on what is
occuring. I'm certainly not endorsing that particular product.

However, your product uses the exact same pixel change motion
detection that is found on virtually every decent DVR on the market.
Masking and sensitivity are great features, but they do not work in
many environments.

If you are interested in developing your product to the next level,
you may want to look into how products like ObjectVideo and VistaScape
process video. AFAIK, there aren't any DVRs on the market currently
that include this type of technology built in to the product. I know
of at least on in beta from one of the major players in the industry,
though. The behavior recognition part is just now being applied on a
fairly large scale. Once perfected, this technology will eliminate
the "meat factor" in making policy decisions. In other words, guards
will no longer have to make decisions on what is and isn't appropriate
behavior. For example if someone carries a bag into an airport
terminal, drops it, and moves away from it an alarm will be triggered.
If there is an area where people should be moving through fairly
quickly, and some one is loitering, the system will know and trigger
an alarm. Vehicles going the wrong direction or to quickly, trucks
where only cars are allowed, planes in no-fly zones, people where
there should be only animals are all possible.

Btw, most of this technology was initially developed through grants
from the federal government for their use, so there is some money and
horsepower behind the technology.
 
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