Installers: Be careful what you throw away!

[Frank Olson]

Buyers be careful who you purchase from. Any equipment seller, let along
installer, can remotely get into you system and compromise is as easily as
if they found your paper work in the trash bin.

This is true... Even though I've never heard of it happening, you should be
aware that things like that are not beyond the realm of possibility.
Investigate them thoroughly.

Be careful who you buy from, especially on the internet......and especially
from anyone offering......selfless.....advice on newgroups.

Check their credentials. Deal with an online merchant that also runs a
brick and mortar alarm company. Make sure they're licensed, bonded and
insured. That sort of information should be readily available on their
website (if it's not, *ASK*!!). On line businesses are largely unregulated.
Always ensure you pay for products with a Visa or Master Card. That way you
have some security against the merchants possible non-performance.

There are a lot of pro's that participate here and provide advice/answers
without trying to take your money or ask for personal information.
Whether-or-not you decide to go with it is up to you.

 

[Frank Olson]

An individual's education level shouldn't be measured by his ability to
spell, read or write. There are lot's of people with "dislexia" out there
as well as other learning impairments (both physical and cognitive).

Some can spell but they "just don't type well"...

 

[Frank Olson]

OK, that's fair. Think about this ludicrous tale Olson told for a moment.
An alarm company competitor goes rummaging around in a dumpster, hoping to
find something that will help him steal accounts or worse. He does this at
the office of a company where the people know his face (or at least his
description).

Yup... but he did it at 2:00 am in the morning... Hello!!! Damn... no
one's home...

Perhaps Laurel and Hardy

(Robert Bass)

might do something like that but no
alarm installer would waste his time.

Did I say "alarm installer"??

Besides, even if he found out the
account numbers, no one but an idiot would write the unlock codes on
customer docs and then throw them in the dumpster for Frank's pal to snatch
them up.

Duhhh... Robert... most fire alarm panels back in 1984 didn't have "unlock
codes" or were even programmable... Could this have something to do with
the fact that you actually didn't have any experience with alarm systems
until after you got licensed in CT in 1988??

"Gotcha"!!!

Every alarm company I've ever seen (with the possible exception of
AlarmServices, Inc) shreds all such documents before they hit the trash

bin.

You've "seen" a lot of alarm companies haven't you, Robert... and the
"insides" of a lot of dumpsters too, I'll bet...

"Gotcha!!!"

We use a cross-cut shredder which turns the paper into little parallelograms
about 1/4" or so on a side. Frank would need to spend years trying to put
one sheet back together.

Nahhh... I'd send them all to you... I understand you have a lot of time
on your hands and are good at puzzles...

Indeed. Tales of alarm installers doing inverted flight in a 737 make this
lie seem pretty dry.

I wasn't an "alarm installer" back then... Hello!!! Damn... still not
home...

The best one though was the story of Frank getting
shocked while standing on a ladder and not grounded because the ladder
miraculously levitated into a high voltage box -- in the middle of a ceiling
truss or beam where boxes are **NEVER** recessed.

Did I say it was "recessed"?? Where??

This lie is indeed pretty tame compared to some of Frank's tales.

Looks like I'll need to come up with some really juicy ones... After all...
you're obviously "starved" for entertainment...

It's more than just bizarre. It's just plain silly. Imagine some alarm
company guy rummaging around in Frank's trash looking for information so he
could do what?

Wasn't my trash... Hello!!! Oh... never mind...

Steal credit card numbers? *Maybe* luck out and find out
account numbers or other personal data about some clients? The story is
just another absurd pile of frank. He wants you to believe that the most
fantastic things (even things which defy the laws of physics) are routine
for him.

They are... Since I got electrocuted I've had these weird psyonic powers...
I can move items around the room without touching them myself... I can
reach through the ether and time and space and see... Robert... sitting at
his keyboard mumbling to himself... "Gotta get Frank... Gotta get
Frank"... Get over it Robert... I don't swing that way... Bubba misses
you!!

It didn't. He made it up like so many other cock and bull stories he

tells.


Oh.... You wanted *those* kinds of stories... I'll see what I can do...

 

[Frank Olson]

Frank Olson wrote

Why is that surprising? The voters elect crooks regularly. Our congress is
full of them.
js

Oh c'mon... Do you honestly believe that a fine upstanding citizen like
Arnold S. could possibly even consider groping some woman in a gym?? Or
lifting the blouse of another in public... in full view of dozens of
people... without some guy from the "National Enquirer" snapping a few
pics?? Watch the news-stands in the next couple of days... LOL!!!

 

[fly in the ointment]

And some just can't spell dyslexia
js

An individual's education level shouldn't be measured by his ability to
spell, read or write. There are lot's of people with "dislexia" out there
as well as other learning impairments (both physical and cognitive).

Some can spell but they "just don't type well"...

 

[Mark Leuck]

You recommended a number of online dealers for a year before you admitted
that you made no effort whatsoever to check their credentials. Most were
not bonded. Most were unlicensed. Only one showed any evidence of being
insured.

Are you bonded and licensed?

du·plic·i·tous Given to or marked by deliberate deceptiveness in
behavior or speech

duplicitous adj : marked by deliberate deceptiveness especially by
pretending one set
of feelings and acting under the influence of another; "she was a
deceitful scheming
little thing"- Israel Zangwill; "a double-dealing double agent"; "a
double-faced
infernal traitor and schemer"- W.M.Thackeray

fel·o·ny
n. Law pl. fel·o·nies
1.. One of several grave crimes, such as murder, rape, or burglary,
punishable by a more stringent sentence than that given for a misdemeanor.
2.. Any of several crimes in early English law that were punishable by
forfeiture of land or goods and by possible loss of life or a bodily part.

 

[Frank Olson]

Therefor, information which might have been gleaned from this fictional "bad
guy" in the silly story you made up would have been totally useless. All he
would have learned is that so-and-so has a fire alarm system. Give it up,
Franky. You got caught lying again.

Therefore you haven't been "in the trade" as long as you say... *Gotcha*!!!

Actually the fire alarm service industry is pretty competitive... In BC and
Alberta (the Provinces I work in) you have to inspect a fire alarm system
annually (to ULC CAN4-S536). Seeing as how you know *nothing* about this
I'll tell you what kind of information he was searching for... Device
counts that matched up with a building address, copies of invoices or
quotations for the inspections (so he could go in next year at a lower
price), names of contact people with Property Management firms, quotations
on new fire alarm and halon (1301 was still a big seller in 1984)
installations... Panel manuals and schematics... He wasn't looking at
"taking over" an alarm system... he was looking at "scooping" the whole
damn building...

Didn't happen either. You lied. What else is new?

Nuthin' much... little old lady at a mall I was working in ran into the man
lift I was on this afternoon with her electric scooter... Not only that...
first she said the motor control was "stuck", then she had the nerve to get
mad at me for being in her way... There were traffic cones and yellow
"Caution" tape all over the place, but she just "breezed on through"
anyway... Scared the "willies" out of me... Ah well... another day...
another $14000.00... (that's about $18.00 US)...

 

[Frank Olson]

I'm only responding to months of nonsense from you, Franky. If you can't
stand the heat, get out of the newsgroup.

Bingo!!! That's what this is all about... You'd just love to see me leave
wouldn't you?? You view me as one of your more credible detractors because
I refrain from attacking your wife, kids, cat, dog, and tropical fish...
I've also proven you're a liar and a fraud and done so without resorting to
name calling or derogatory remarks... *You* have provided more than
sufficient material yourself to prove my point... Ahhh, Robert, "What a
tangled web we weave when we but practice to deceive."

You like to pick on me all the time. OK, my turn. If you don't like having
someone point out all the stupid lies you tell, you have two choices. You
can stop picking fights or you can stop telling lies. Unfortunately for
you, it seems you have neither the decency for the first option nor the
strength of character for the second.

Hello??? Mr. Bass... I'm really sorry, but this time you're the one that
started this latest "round"... I'd suggest you sorta calm down... sip a
few brewskies... take a nice dip in your pool...

Nope. Just stop your nonsense and stop telling stupid lies about catching
politicians dumpster diving out of their Jaguars, flying upside down in 737
airliners and riding magical, levitating ladders. It's so easy, Franky.
All you have to do is start being honest (fat chance of that) and I'll leave
you alone.

OK... so... the 737 "story"... you dragged that up, I didn't... I
haven't mention the ladder (which I now *know* you hexed) for months... you
dragged that up... You'd be happy if I just "shut up" and lurk... Is that
what you're saying??? If I did that, Unca Robbie, would you *really* leave
me alone??? Huh??? Huh???

By the way... You *contend* that it's impossible to perform a roll in a 737
when in fact it's much more manoeverable that a 707 (for which a kind soul
was able to post an actual link that demonstrated you can roll this aircraft
successfully). You *contend* that it would be impossible for me to be
electrocuted while standing on an aluminum ladder... you weren't there...
How could you *know* the circumstances surrounding that? Another thing...
You don't know me either. I've never posted to a USENET group before this
one. Yet you call me an inveterate liar... You have a verifiable history
of telling lies and disrupting newsgroups. I don't (except for your own
rather twisted imaginings)... There's a *huge* difference between us,
Robert... You can't prove I lied about anything and that irks you more than
you can say so you'll continue attacking me with "innuendo". "Fill your
boots", bud... I could care less...

I'll save you a whole lot of heartache, Robert... I haven't lied in this
newsgroup or in any other...

Short memory span, eh Franky? Hint: If you evert start to tell the truth
it will be easier to remember what you said.

I've got no problem remembering what I said... you do however...

Not in this lifetime, Franky. I wouldn't want to be in charge even if that
was an option.

Hmmm... Seems to me that's what you want... to be "in charge"? C'mon,
Robbie... You'd like nothing better than for all of us to just shut up and
let you have free "reign" in the newsgroup... Your own personal message
board... FAT CHANCE!!!...

Try to understand this basic concept of USENET, Franky. I know it's
difficult but maybe if you take a deep breath and squint your eyes shut
you'll grasp it. NO ONE IS IN CHARGE! (Sorry for yelling). That
especially means you.

As to agenda, mine has never been hidden. I've always been up front about
my reason for being here. I help DIY'rs and newbies by posting FAQ pages,
links and instructional material. I explain how to install alarms and how
to service them. In the process I hope to win a few customers. So far it's
working.

There are lots of professionals that participate here that answer questions
(help DIYer's and newbies) without pushing a self-seeking agenda... It's
called "ethics" Robert, but you can't even begin to comprehend can you???

Oh, yes it is, Franky. You've insulted me, my business and anyone who
disagreed with you for some time now.

I've pointed out where you've blatantly lied (and posted proof)... all
you've managed to do is make feeble attempts to discredit or besmirch the
character of a participant in this newsgroup that won't support your
self-serving claptrap...

Engage "ze Herr Dr. Basz zyco-analist" mode:

You also have a propensity to tell
huge lies to make yourself out to be some kind of hero. This is the sort of
behavior one expects from a borderline personality disorder patient. You
have such a weak ego that you feel compelled to try to impress others in a
desparate attempt to win approval. You haven't a clue

Describing yourself, are we??

Those are fine words which you like to bandy about without ever having
exercised them.

Ohhh... another "flame"...

In your dreams, perhaps. The simple facts of the matter are that the 737
isn't built to handle such a maneuver and it can not recover from a sudden
inversion at that altitude.

Prove it... post the independant link that says so!!...

Not only that but the airplane would not flip
over so fast even if you had done what you lied about.

I didn't "do" anything... I was a passenger, remember??

Furthermore, that
airplane has a history of crashes due to sudden application of full rudder
in flight.

Check... when the servo failed... You missed the fact that you can't apply
"full rudder" in flight, Robert (O great aviation "expert")... there are
controls that prevent that. At lower speeds the deflection angle you can
obtain is increased. I guess that means you're a liar too!! Damn!!

The rudder power control unit would have broken and you'd have
stained the terrain.

Nope... The "rudder servo" functioned perfectly...

Everything about the fictional flight was absurd,
Franky. The real problem is you didn't expect that someone you've proboked
for months would actually know enough to expose how ludicrous a lie it

was.

Yeah... you keep bringing this up because you have nothing else (and
absolutely no proof)... You can't even find out where I work...

You never were in that attitude yet. It didn't happen. You made up a
stupid lie to impress the IB and it failed. Get over it. Move on. There
are lots of other subjects for you to lie about. Maybe some day you'll pull
one off and I won't notice but no one believes you anyway.


Especially since if it had ever happened the first time you'd be dead in
less than a minute.

Little longer, actually... do the math... Oh... I'm still here...

Aren't you the guy who doesn't even know that pilots are not even permitted
to bring the 737 to a full stall because it can't withstand aerobatic
G-forces?

Duhhh... really??? So... because I failed to "mention" that, I've
suddenly lost all credibility... Bwahahahahahahahahah!!! Go on, Mr.
"negative" lift... "angle of attack of the wind"...

Aren't you the one who doesn't know that a 737 isn't a Citabria?

I don't even think you know what a "Citabria" is, Robert... You sure as
heck don't know what a Cessna 152 is!!

Keep thinking that, Franky.

I know it for a fact, Robbie... You said so in our telephone
conversation... remember???

Correct. None of the other online stores makes much of an effort to help
people who ask questions here. That's their privelege.

Correction... they make the effort... they "privelege" us with the fact
that they don't try to "prostitute" themselves while they're helping
people... It's called "following the FAQ", Robert... something which *you*
will never do... You don't have the guts or the moral fortitude...

Sorry but I don't recall asking anyone to pay to post here. Perhaps you
have me confused with one of your aliases.

I'll give you a clue... The "price" of admission to *your* sandbox is my
silence... and the silence of everyone else that opposes your attempt to
usurp the newsgroup for your own selfish interests...

Behind the counter at a small distributor in Vancouver, BC. Yes, I know
that. Congratulations.

Oh??? Which one?? Please tell us oh great Guru of Twisted Facts...

Somehow going out on a date with you sounds pretty unappealing, Franky.

Suit yourself... I'm actually a pretty "gay" fellow...

Must be a Canadian expression.

You wouldn't know...

 

[Frank Olson]

It's about you constantly provoking and flaming for months on end and now
you can't take a little return fire.

You're shooting blanks there Robbie... You've got nothing on me so you
resort to your trademark attempts at character assassination... All you've
managed to do is put *both* your feet are in your mouth... *again*...

 

[me and bobby mcgee]

It's spelled "dyslexia".

 

[Frank Olson]

At my age I'm happy just to be able to "fire." :^)
LOL!!!



You're such a hypocrite, Olson. That is precisely what you've tried to do
to me. It is the reason I will always point out all the gaping holes in
your ludicrous lies.

No-one has to "try" with you, Robert... Your record in USENET is readily
accessible... Including your "signature" method of "character assassination
by innuendo"... As soon as someone stands up against the way you've tried
to usurp this group (and others), you switch to attack mode and that person
is singled out for the Robert L. Bass "special treatment"... This includes
posting outright lies about them, contacting their employers, and much, much
worse...

Take a few minutes to read over the group's FAQ again... I figure you owe a
whole pile of people apologies. Start with Graham...

 

[Mark Leuck]

No-one has to "try" with you, Robert... Your record in USENET is readily
accessible... Including your "signature" method of "character assassination
by innuendo"... As soon as someone stands up against the way you've tried
to usurp this group (and others), you switch to attack mode and that person
is singled out for the Robert L. Bass "special treatment"... This includes
posting outright lies about them, contacting their employers, and much, much
worse...

Take a few minutes to read over the group's FAQ again... I figure you owe a
whole pile of people apologies. Start with Graham...

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You were fine until you got that that last part

 

[Frank Olson]

owe

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You were fine until you got that that last part

Yeah... well... "what the flock"...

 

[fly in the ointment]

Nothing gets by you.
js

 

[Frank Olson]

You recommended

Didn't "recommend" anyone... Just "listed" alarm companies.

a number of online dealers for a year before you admitted
that you made no effort whatsoever to check their credentials.

Hmmmm... How would you know?? Did you ever formally request to get
listed??

Most were
not bonded.

How would you know?? Did you ask??

Most were unlicensed.

You mean those that were operating in States/Provinces that didn't have any
licensing criteria...

Only one showed any evidence of being
insured.

Really?? Which one??

Like the alarm company guy with the Jaguar who you claim to have caught
dumpster diving to steal company records from a competitor?

You don't read very well... But that's to be expected from someone that's
obviously dyslexic...

There's no license required anywhere to sell alarm parts online.
Furthermore, licensure, bonding and insurance (even if one could verfy them)
are no guaranty that the retailer isn't a crook.

Ahem... Have you tried getting a bond, Robert?? My bonding company
wouldn't touch you with an 18' Grabbit...

Why did you refuse to ask about this from any of the online dealers you
represented for a year before your website was finally shut down?

Did I "refuse to ask"?? Really?? Do you know this for a fact??

There are also a few professional installers who sell online and regularly
participate here. Those of us who do don't charge for advice or demand
personal information either.

Bwahahahahahaha... "Those of us who do"... You aren't installing
professionally any longer, Robert... In fact, you haven't been for six
years or so... You "demand" personal information every time you ask a
client to provide a credit card number, home address, contact information...
When he completes a monitoring agreement, you're also asking him to provide
the names of eveyone living in the house as well as neighbors and relatives
who might be responding to the alarm. When you download their panel, you
know their access codes. And finally, when they ask to send their
insurer's a letter indicating the alarm is monitored, you now know way more
than they would ever know about you. I'll bet you tell people that when the
Police say that you're "known to them", it means that they "know you run a
store that sells security alarm parts online"...


As an home *owner* (and alarm purchaser), make darned sure you know whom
you're dealing with before you provide any individual with personal
information. It's why I suggest anyone contemplating purchasing security
products online consider dealing with a merchant that has a brick and mortar
alarm *company*. Check them out with their local Better Business Bureau,
their State's Alarm Association. If the alarm company also has a web site,
check to see that they're properly licensed (in their State), bonded and
insured.

http://www.diycomponents.com
http://www.alarmsystemstore.com
http://www.tech-man.com
http://www.i2automation.com
http://www.alarmcontacts.com

 

[Mike Simpson]

Frank....you might want to check Bob LaLonde's site..........????

ms

 

[Mike Simpson]

And these guys seem to have vanished as well......

www.i2automation.com

They're dropping like flies!! ;-(

ms

 

[Frank Olson]

You clearly can't take what you so love to dish out, Franky.

If you don't like being exposed as a liar and a moron, cut the crap.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!! Put some clothes on Robert... most kids stop
"exposing" themselves a whole lot younger than you...

The
difference between the "Freddy" story and your situation is, unlike Freddy,
I occasionally fight back and, because I'm telling the truth (an entirely
foreign concept to you) I can hit much harder than you do.

You couldn't tell the truth if you were reading it from a script. And
nahh... you don't "hit harder", you just "fight dirtier" (and shoot a whole
pile of "blanks")...

Keep it up and
I'll continue to expose every lie you post.

The inane mouthings and scribblings of a troll like you aren't taken
seriously... You're simply "RFI" in this group... You just refuse to see
it...

I told you before. All you need to do to make it end is to stop posting
lies, quit attacking me or my business and publicly apologize for your
behavior and I'll leave you alone. It's entirely up to you, Franky.

Heh, heh, heh... I've already apologized for a post that was way out of
line and had tempered my responses considerably. You decided to light
another fire. Next time, stand back further so you won't get "scorched". I
have no compunction exposing you to be the "Freddie Kruger" of USENET (and
this group) every time you try something like this. It's been "up to you"
for years, Robert. Wake up and smell the coffee... Quit shifting the blame
to someone else and take responsibility for your own actions.

 

[Frank Olson]

At least Bob's still around!!!

And these guys seem to have vanished as well......

www.i2automation.com

They're dropping like flies!! ;-(

ms