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  1. Bob Worthy

    Bob Worthy Guest

    I am suprised at how easily security information is just given out. I know
    everyone here is competeing for the title of "security guru" but I think it
    is irresponsible for our profession to just hand out certain information. Is
    it possible that there are others lurking around this site, that never post,
    to see what info they can pick up? We don't give out information to our own
    customers, until they have given us their pass word. When an employee calls
    in from a business customer, we want to talk with the owner/manager before
    giving out certain info, even if the employee does know the password. These
    are pretty much standard industry practices. Here, everyone is quick to
    answer a post to display their wealth of knowledge, before the next guy
    answers, with no regard as to the posters true indenity or intentions. How
    does the NG practice normal industry standards or is this NG just a "teach
    me how to" on the net? That may be fine for most other industrys, but
    security? Any ideas?

    Bob4Secur
     
  2. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest


    I agree with you but the internet has become such a huge resource of
    information, if the individual can't find what he's looking for here, he'll
    be able to visit an online store that will be only to happy to help them.
    There is a Group FAQ which outlines some basic "responsibilities" but a
    certain individual from Sarasota tends to ignore all that. He has on
    numerous occasions published *incorrect* information (I recall he even
    provided programming information from a Napco manual to a poster that had a
    DSC "Power" series control once), so it's best to try and "head him off".
    Don't sweat it Bob. In most instances you do need access to the common
    control to perform password resets, etc. and typically the only individual
    that would have this is the actual homeowner/business owner. Most panels
    that are monitored also transmit signals to the CS when an individual leaves
    programming. If the CS also happens to be the servicing agency receipt of
    this information should result in a "service ticket" and a visit from an
    installer.

    All this having been said, it's still not good to disseminate this kind of
    information in a public forum. You should email the individual privately.


    --
    Frank Olson
    http://www.yoursecuritysource.com
    Free listings for qualified dealers and industry professionals
    You can read the ASA FAQ at
    http://www.yoursecuritysource.com/asafaq.htm
     
  3. Bob Worthy

    Bob Worthy Guest

    That is more one on one and will only continue to grow. At what pace, who
    knows.
    I know, just old hat.
    That is what I was getting at. Sometimes we open mouth insert foot. Maybe a
    little thought should be given to the information we tend to make "so"
    public.

    You should email the individual privately.

    Agreed
     
  4. John O

    John O Guest

    How
    (first time poster, short time lurker)

    IT security is a good example. It would be pretty easy for me (or anyone,
    really) to get online and locate the tools and instructions needed to bring
    down my company's entire IT system. Nothing can be done to stop me once I
    sit at my desk.

    But you're right, it's too bad some folks don't have enough professional
    ethics to know when to step away from the keyboard. :)

    -John O
     
  5. G. Morgan

    G. Morgan Guest

    Someone named "Bob Worthy" <> Proclaimed on
    Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:05:27 -0400,

    Hi Bob,

    You didn't address me specifically, but I have a feeling your post was
    motivated by the recent answer I gave in the z900 thread.
    Nobody is gunning for that title, except maybe those who stand to
    profit from it.
    Yes it is. But I don't personally think a power-up method for
    entering programming mode is posting a *defeat*. All the manuals are
    available for anyone to read, and almost all panels have a way to
    enter program mode without a code. The power-up method for Ademco
    panels has been posted here time-and-time again, and nobody ever
    birched.
    Right, we don't give away passcodes to strangers.
    I disagree. I didn't answer the default user/pass combo for the Caddx
    software because that, in my opinion, was a greater threat. But it's
    easily obtainable.
    Bob, I hate to say it, but Frank may be right on this one. Maybe we
    give out too much info in this NG because we don't some unnamed
    bastard in Sarasota to profit. I could hear the conversation about
    how that panel is old, and he *NEEDS* a new Napco system.

    What do you suggest? Not help anyone and let Bobo have his shot at
    raping them?
     
  6. Bob Worthy

    Bob Worthy Guest

    Good first time post, John. Well put. Thank you for recognizing that there
    could be some issues with the free flow of information.

    Bob4Secur
     
  7. Bob Worthy

    Bob Worthy Guest

    That posters orginial post is what got me thinking, but, you know what, to
    be honest I started to answer that Z900 question myself. Had the
    instructions typed in, went to hit send to group and then stopped. I asked
    myself, "What in the hell are you doing". I erased it and sent the post to
    the guy about not knowing who he was. Go back and read it.
    True, but from an outsider looking in, you have to admit there is, what
    appears to be, alot of debate and trying to "one up" on the other guy within
    the group
    No, I realize that but what I was pointing out was that before the flow of
    information gets too available, we need to think of what we said before we
    hit send.
    Congrats! and you were the one to make that professional decision. You
    thought better before freely giving out critical info. That is what I was
    referring to.

    But it's
    I know, but I always like to throw out food for thought. Keeps us healthy.
    Fresh ideas help to move things forward. Things don't get boring. And who
    knows, what ever the outcome, it just may make some things better.

    I don't know, as a group, that is why I threw out the question. I know I
    will be very careful not to just broadcast out info. I would need some one
    on one contact to get too involved with any sensitve information. When a
    poster identifys someone that is willing and

    Bob4Secur
     
  8. R.H.Campbell

    R.H.Campbell Guest

    I too think that we have to be careful giving out certain types of security
    information on the newsgroup. But from where I sit, posters should be just
    as careful (perhaps more so...) before hitting the send key to make sure
    that the message being sent (whatever the subject) won't be misinterpreted
    in some incorrect and insulting fashion and start the usual war of words and
    insults.

    There's a lot of childish antics going on in what should be a newsgroup for
    professionals and end users to exchange ideas, not insults.....

    But then...hey....who asked me...? I like many others will probably continue
    to have to wade through the garbage.....

    RHC
     
  9. Bob Worthy

    Bob Worthy Guest

    I'll take the blame for that. I asked for the thoughts and ideas.

    I like many others will probably continue
    I am sure you have a pair of Sorels. Just keep the felts dry, otherwise they
    can become very offensive.

    Bob4Secur
     
  10. R.H.Campbell

    R.H.Campbell Guest

    Yeah...will do....:))

    RHC

     
  11. Bob Worthy

    Bob Worthy Guest

    Bet ya didn't know a Florida boy knew about such things.

    Bob4Secur
     
  12. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    Not true Frank, that is NOT the case with low end panels and it is the case
    with many high end panels but most do not have that feature enabled by
    default

    Does that now mean you'll continue the war with RLB via email and not this
    forum?
     
  13. alarman

    alarman Guest

    Mark Leuck wrote
    <snerk> ;-)
    js
     
  14. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    You and I know he won't, his post was meant for those "other" people :)
     
  15. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest

    Heh... I was very careful to use "most" instead of "all". That having been
    said, you are correct. The "low end stuff" doesn't employ that feature.
    It's been a while since I sold any "low end" equipment. You OHTH must run
    into it a lot (as you're involved in the monitoring end of things). You
    have my sympathies.


    You know well enough that RLB has strictly "verboten" me to call or email
    him.


    --
    Frank Olson
    http://www.yoursecuritysource.com
    Free listings for qualified dealers and industry professionals
    You can read the ASA FAQ at
    http://www.yoursecuritysource.com/asafaq.htm
     
  16. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    Meaning its bad if everyone else slams Bass but not you right?
    Depends on what you are calling "low end", even many midrange panels don't
    have it and again you cannot assume it is enabled in fact from what I've
    seen it rarely is so what you posted above will rarely happen, and by
    looking at the panel types posters ask about here you will NEVER see it
    happen so go back to square one

    I will answer a question someone asks without telling them how to get into
    programming
    Yea its easier to slam him here than by voice or <shudder> face to face

    Coward
     
  17. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest

    Did I say that??

    OK... Square "one"... You're one "square" dude... :))

    Good for you.

    You're probably still receiving signals from Steven's Moose panels... ;-)

    No... I just don't want my ISP flooded with "I've asked him never to email
    me yet he continues to" garbage...


    Punk. :)


    --
    Frank Olson
    http://www.yoursecuritysource.com
    Free listings for qualified dealers and industry professionals
    You can read the ASA FAQ at
    http://www.yoursecuritysource.com/asafaq.htm
     
  18. G. Morgan

    G. Morgan Guest


    Damn. I thought you'd go with "nice sig. line" :)
     
  19. G. Morgan

    G. Morgan Guest

    Someone named (Group Moderator) Proclaimed on 30
    Sep 2004 06:10:14 GMT,

    <sigh>
     
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