inert gas

[Eeyore]

Got anything to say?

Have you ?

Graham

 

[Guest]

Nitrogen is NOT an inert gas.

"Vacuum" is a word that is not very well defined in public use.

sci.electronics.basics is NOT a place to ridicule people who ask beginner
questions.

"Troll" is a word that has no meaning. It is commonly used on newsgroups to
describe any disagreement or discussion or single post. It is used by people
who have run out of legitimate points.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Vacuum" is a word that is not very well defined in public use.

** Irrelevant to the subject of electronics - FUCKWIT.

sci.electronics.basics is NOT a place to ridicule people who ask beginner
questions.

** Irrelevant to YOU acting like a FUCKWIT and a TROLL.

"Troll" is a word that has no meaning.

** It describes TOP POSTING piles of ASD fucked EXCREMENT like YOU
very neatly.

Now - get back to your kiddie porn sites and wank yourself to death.




........ Phil

 

[John Larkin]

79%

What don't you understand about "about"?

John

 

[Eeyore]

What don't you understand about "about"?

Maybe you should have said ' about about ' ?

Graham

 

[jasen]

I believe it to be an inert gas too.

Did I miss something?

nitric acid, cyanide, ammonia, urea...

Bye.
Jasen

 

[Phil Allison]

cyanide,

** Go take a dose - you PITA sheep shagging FUCKWIT.







......... Phil

 

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no, it'll be a partial vacuum.


Bye.
Jasen

Any vacuum created by man is a partial vacuum...I dont think a pure
vacuum is attainable...is it ???

I mean Im no physics genius like most of you all on this electronics
group but it has always been my understanding that when someone talks
about a "vacuum" in any sense unless its theoretically.....that they
are talking about a partial vacuum.

 

[John Fields]

Nitrogen is NOT an inert gas.

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Under the right conditions, _no_ gas is inert.
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"Vacuum" is a word that is not very well defined in public use.

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Do you know the meaning of the word "dictionary?"
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sci.electronics.basics is NOT a place to ridicule people who ask beginner
questions.

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It is though, when they persist in maintaining an unwarrantedly
defiant attitude and refusing to follow the established customs of
the group.
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"Troll" is a word that has no meaning.

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Really?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Troll

29 million hits for a word that has no meaning is a little
excessive, I think.

 

[Bob Myers]

Nitrogen is NOT an inert gas.

"Inert" in this context refers to the reactivity of a given
material in the specific application in question. In the context
of the original question - the gas used to "fill" light bulbs and
such - nitrogen IS essentially inert. Not as good as argon,
perhaps, but it would serve the purpose and that's all the original
poster was asking about. Then we got off on this utterly
meaningless thread which served no purpose other than allowing
a number of people to demonstrate that they knew what "noble
gas" meant, and presumably to get whatever ego boost they
needed from showing off that knowledge.

Nitrogen is used in many industrial applications because it
IS, in a practical sense, "inert" in those applications (i.e.,
far, far less problematic than oxygen or normal air in those
cases). That's all that was ever intended here, so what say
we all let it drop rather than continuing to play these idiotic
sophomore-chem-class word games, OK?

Bob M.

 

[Eeyore]

"Inert" in this context refers to the reactivity of a given
material in the specific application in question. In the context
of the original question - the gas used to "fill" light bulbs and
such - nitrogen IS essentially inert. Not as good as argon,
perhaps, but it would serve the purpose and that's all the original
poster was asking about. Then we got off on this utterly
meaningless thread which served no purpose other than allowing
a number of people to demonstrate that they knew what "noble
gas" meant, and presumably to get whatever ego boost they
needed from showing off that knowledge.

Nitrogen is used in many industrial applications because it
IS, in a practical sense, "inert" in those applications (i.e.,
far, far less problematic than oxygen or normal air in those
cases). That's all that was ever intended here, so what say
we all let it drop rather than continuing to play these idiotic
sophomore-chem-class word games, OK?

Dry nitrogen gas filling is very widely used indeed where an essentially inert
atmosphere is required.

Graham

 

[Guest]

If Phil Allison is going to use a chemical term incorrectly, then Phil
Allison is going to get corrected. This applies mainly to Phil Allison if
you know what I mean (he ain't Mr. Sweetness). If he sticks to terms he made
up (like Fuckwit), that only he and the dingoes know the meaning of, then he
will be safe from criticism.

 

[Eeyore]

If Phil Allison is going to use a chemical term incorrectly, then Phil
Allison is going to get corrected.

in·ert P Pronunciation Key (n-ûrt)
adj.
Unable to move or act.
Sluggish in action or motion; lethargic. See Synonyms at inactive.
Chemistry. Not readily reactive with other elements; forming few or no chemical
compounds.
Having no pharmacologic or therapeutic action.


Phil was correct.

Graham

 

[John Larkin]

in·ert P Pronunciation Key (n-ûrt)
adj.
Unable to move or act.
Sluggish in action or motion; lethargic. See Synonyms at inactive.
Chemistry. Not readily reactive with other elements; forming few or no chemical
compounds.
Having no pharmacologic or therapeutic action.


Phil was correct.

Graham

Hey, check out tappie's schematic on a.b.s.e!

John

 

[Guest]

Hey, check out Larkins schematic on a.b.s.e!

 

[Guest]

Phil was not correct.
The dictionary definitions do not apply, because Phil used the words in a
phrase "inert gas" that CHEMISTS use as a substitute for the royalist phrase
"noble gas". No matter what the words mean individually, the phrase means
Argon, Krypton, etc..
Furthermore, even using the dictionary definition, nitrogen is reacts with
many elements to form many compounds. That FACT was illustrated in my second
post by a "short list".

 

[Eeyore]

Phil was not correct.
The dictionary definitions do not apply, because Phil used the words in a
phrase "inert gas" that CHEMISTS use as a substitute for the royalist phrase
"noble gas".

Bollocks. That's why the noble gases are called NOBLE !

No matter what the words mean individually, the phrase means
Argon, Krypton, etc..
Furthermore, even using the dictionary definition, nitrogen is reacts with
many elements to form many compounds.

The definition includes 'not readily reactice' which suits nitrogen just fine.

" Nitrogen is a.......... mostly inert diatomic gas "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen

Graham

 

[John Larkin]

Hey, check out Larkins schematic on a.b.s.e!

Well, Donna was complaining about the lack of schematics, and I had
one just to the left of my keyboard, so I donated it. The difference
between our schematics, of course, is that mine works and yours
doesn't.

But I admit that the effective impedance that the SRD sees is too
high, so the RC time constant will mask the true snap speed. I have a
better version now. I often draw schematics many times, and toss all
but the last, until I get it right. So I'm always scribbling little
circuits, which my wife, bless her heart, thinks is "adorable."

John

 

[redbelly]

But Nitrogen isn't very inert. It forms bonds with many elements. There is a
reason that they call Argon, Krypton, etc. the "Noble Gases", they don't
form bonds very easily.

Nitrogen ATOMS aren't very inert, but N2 molecules (as found in the
air) are inert enough for many applications. (For example, preventing
oxidation when heat-treating metals.)

The statement (from Tim Williams) was about which inert gas is
cheapest, not which is the most inert.

That being said, I don't know how reactive N2 is with tungsten at
2500-3000 Kelvin (as found in a lamp filament).

Mark

p.s. Don't let Phil's gruff writing style fool you. If you ignore the
abusive language, you'll often find he has something worthwhile to say.

 

[redbelly]

Phil was not correct.
The dictionary definitions do not apply, because Phil used the words in a
phrase "inert gas" that CHEMISTS use as a substitute for the royalist phrase
"noble gas". No matter what the words mean individually, the phrase means
Argon, Krypton, etc..
Furthermore, even using the dictionary definition, nitrogen is reacts with
many elements to form many compounds. That FACT was illustrated in my second
post by a "short list".

Lots of engineers consider N2 to be inert, because it is non-reactive
in many situations. It is often the gas of choice when an "inert
atmosphere" is required, because it is cheaper than the Noble Gases or
any other inert gas.

Don't automatically assume that the chemists have the definitive say in
these matters.

Mark