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  1. terry

    terry Guest

    Very basic question. (I hope)

    I have a tuned circuit that covers a range of approx 250 to 600
    kilohertz. I desire to increase its frequency range to at least double
    (i.e. around 500 to 1200; or even to cover, say 750 to 1600.
    Hopefully in a manner that does not require removing/changing/modifying
    the existing inductance coil. Just paralleling it with something.

    Thinking is based upon.

    If capacitors are ) In parallel their joint capacity increase. b) In
    series the joint capacitance is decreased. A simple example would be
    two 500 mmf caps in series would nominally (stray capacitance aside)
    give 250 mmf. Also increase of capacitance in say, a tuned circuit.
    normally 'decreases' frequency.

    If inductance are in series the joint inductance increases. Assume no
    mutual coupling?
    If in parallel the inductance decreases .........................
    yes???

    So, for an example if one inductance is paralleled by an identical one
    the total effective inductance would be halved? etc.

    Using the half remembered formula f = 1/2pi root of L xC it would
    appear that inductance would have to decreased by a ratio based on the
    the square of the inductance? In other words one quarter the inductance
    (thus reducing the product of LxC) would double the frequency?

    Anybody care to make this complicated please; or what is missing?

    I also half remember inductance being affected by the number of turns
    squared, modified by the permeability of the core material etc.

    But it WAS nearly 55 years ago! So take it easy. Been rather busy
    working and living for the last 53 years. :)
     
  2. I'm jst assuming that you have a computer with Internat access right in
    front of you, so...

    Googling "parallel inductance" delivers "about 1, 030,000" hits, at
    least some of which are good.
     
  3. Andrew Holme

    Andrew Holme Guest

    Correct



    It sounds like you're trying to make a long wave coil cover medium wave.

    A simpler way to get the lower inductance might be to split the long wave
    coil in half i.e. tap it half way down; but you could add parallel
    inductance instead. The only problem with this is that inductors are lossy
    and it will lower the Q. You need to use a good quality parallel coil, and
    screen it, or, if your other coil is a ferrite rod antenna, mount it in such
    a way that it reinforces the signal in the main coil.
     
  4. The short answer is yes, paralleling two equal inductors halves the
    inductance.

    Just be careful that any magnetic fields from the two inductors dont
    interact, else the resultant inductance may be considerably different,
    and dependent on the physical arrangement.

    --
    Regards,

    Adrian Jansen adrianjansen at internode dot on dot net
    Design Engineer J & K Micro Systems
    Microcomputer solutions for industrial control
    Note reply address is invalid, convert address above to machine form.
     
  5. HKJ

    HKJ Guest

    This program can help your do the calculations:

    http://www.miscel.dk/MiscEl/miscelFo.html

    This is corrent.


    If your work without cores (i.e. air coils) it is more difficult:
    http://www.miscel.dk/MiscEl/miscelAirCoil.html
     
  6. Tom Bruhns

    Tom Bruhns Guest

    Generally, yes, as others have posted, inductances in parallel combine
    just as resistances: L(net) = 1/(1/L1 + 1/L2 + ... + 1/Ln) As you
    noted, the inductances must not share magnetic field. If they do,
    things get more complicated, but you can calculate the effects, or just
    measure them. In fact, it's under the condition that the turns
    completely share the magnetic field that the inductance goes as the
    square of the number of turns. That is far from the case with typical
    solenoid RF coils. For example, a 1" diameter coil of 25 turns, 1"
    long, will have an inductance of about 11.2uH. A 2" long coil of 50
    turns (two of the original end-to-end) will have an inductance of about
    26.5uH, a far cry from four times 11.2. On the other hand, if you put
    50 turns where the original 25 were--50 turns in one inch length--you
    do get very close to four times the original inductance.

    One thing that others have not pointed out, that I've seen so far
    anyway, is that large coils can have self-resonances not far above
    their operating range. You will need to be careful that those
    resonances don't mess with operation of your circuit.

    If there is any way you could switch the original inductance out and
    switch a good single one in its place, instead of paralleling one, I
    think you stand a better chance of being happy with the performance.
    There are also other issues like LC ratio (operating impedance level)
    that probably won't be optimum either, and limiting the "detractors" as
    much as you can would be a good idea.

    Remember that the resonance is 2*pi*f = 1/sqrt(LC). If the capacitance
    range stays the same, you need to make the inductance 1/4 as large as
    it is now to double the frequency. To triple the frequency, you'll
    need to make the inductance 1/9 as large is it is now. That would mean
    paralleling the original with 1/3rd its inductance, or 1/8th its
    inductance, respectively.

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  7. terry

    terry Guest

    Tom Bruhns wrote: in part ..............
    ..
    Thanks to all for all the adviceand the caveats also. As somebody
    asked; yes I am thinking of gettiing a low frequency recevier to 'move
    up' into the broadcast band without tearing the guts out of it.
    Possibly by just tagging some extra inductance in parallel with three
    existing and themselves fully shielded range coils (it's a TRF).
    At least I could remember some of the basic formulae without even
    opening a text book!
    The practicality of your advice is much appreciated. The possibilty of
    reducing inductance to one quarter of a single inductor and then along
    with various stray capacitances wondering about interstage coupling via
    the existing arrangment and maybe ending with very low Qs and loss of
    gain? sounded somewhat finicky.
    Thankyou. Terry.
     
  8. lemonjuice

    lemonjuice Guest

    Receivers use variable capacitors to tune LC circuits though some like
    the WW II ones used tuning inductors which had powdered iron or an
    iron core in the coil to vary the inductance. The tuning sections not
    only make things work better but as you can easily tell seperate
    signals on different wavelengths.


    From the formula you wrote above you can see
    that according to your frequency needs

    C= 1/(39.5 * F^2*L)


    L= 1/(39.5 * F^2*C)

    Depending on what you want to change.
    Parallel-series inductor has been thoroughly explained by the other
    guys.
    You want to know whether to add in series or parallel capacitors ?
    This page should explain things fast.
    http://www.aikenamps.com/AddingComponents.htm

    Increasing bandwidth is also going to increase your noise as the 2 are
    directly related. However you can can increase selectivity by
    cascading LC networks and/or do a whole lot of other things on the
    different sections of your receiver.


    lemonjuice
     
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