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  1. steinarne

    steinarne

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    Hi. I am struggling with a Toko dc dc converter that is powering a display of an old Pioneer car cassette deck.And cannot identify two diodes that are included,no markings,only colour bands on one. Has even searched all over www. Can anybody help?

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    They are diam 1,8mm and length 4mm.
     
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  2. davenn

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    HI welcome to EP

    your best bet would be getting a schematic for the unit or a full service manual
    it would be the only way to guarantee an identification

    else they are just diodes ... could be a number of different types


    Dave
     
  3. Lightning

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    I have seen germanium diodes that look like that before so it would be worth finding the voltage drop.

    Diodes are pretty similar which is why we always use the ballpark figure 0.7v for the voltage drop, with the exception of germanium diodes which are around 0.3v, hence my previous statement.

    Hope this helps :)
     
  4. zeepee19

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    upperone is zener of 5.6v almost bt first u must trace pcb for that and lower one is common switching doode like 1 N 4148 or any low power scotty diode, most used in dc dc hf operation
     
  5. dorke

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    This is very hard to identify.

    The color code of the top one can be a 1N54A glass germanium diode(It may be if that thing is very very old).

    The bottom one ,who knows.

    How old is that converter?
    Are the diodes blown?
    Please post a good photo of the board ,
    indicating the location of the pulled diodes.
     
  6. cjdelphi

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    Measure the foward voltage drop, the bottom one looks like a zener (if you have an adjustable power supply, a 1k resistor and the diode in reverse, gradually increase the voltage until it begins to conduct while measuring voltage)

    Top diode? New to me, maybe it is a ge diode, measure the vdrop
     
  7. Lightning

    Lightning

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    Yer, if the diode is from an AC/DC converter, it could be a zener. I took apart a mains rectifier circuit the other day and found something that looks like the bottom diode.
     
  8. shrtrnd

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    Did you, as suggested by davenn, Google the model of your Pioneer to see if you can find a schematic? (I'm assuming that Toko is internal to the Pioneer(?)
    It might be helpful since I also assume you're just checking the diodes to see if they're bad or if you have another problem elsewhere.
    My experience, which may or may not be true here, is like zeepee19 noted: most of the unmarked diodes I've seen like that are 1n4148's or 1N914's.
    The physical construction of the diodes lead me to believe they're not old germaniums.
     
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  9. 73's de Edd

    73's de Edd

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    Absolutely . . . . .give us the model number of that Pioneer unit.
     
  10. AmidBahar

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    If there are no standard markings on a component it may be very difficult to determine exactly what it is without testing the component in a circuit. You may be able to guess that it is a diode or a zener diode but that does not tell you anything about its characteristics. Some manufacturers may build circuits with unmarked components purchased in bulk, and the part number can only be obtained from a schematic diagram or a parts list for the circuit.

    If you have any unknown diode you can use a voltmeter to determine the forward and reverse voltages, but if you want more detailed characteristics it can require elaborate testing.

    If you have an unknown zener diode you can use a voltmeter to verify that the forward voltage is about 0.6 or 0.7 volts. You can then connect the zener diode (in the reverse direction) in series with a 9 or 12 volt battery and a resistor to limit the current. Measure the voltage drop across the zener diode to determine the approximate zener voltage for the diode. Again this only gives you some basic information about the diode but not its type. If you need to know the exact component type you will have to consult the packaging or other information from the manufacturer.
     
  11. steinarne

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    Thank you all for your answers to my question.The green/yellow is dead. My Pioneer is an KEX900 from 1986, i have the manual, but the unit is L701 as you see, a unit on the PCB. No more schematic is available. I bought a spare converter from an Italian for 60$ and carefully dissassembled it. I ohmed the green/yellow on, and it showed 460 kohm one way, and nothing the other way (zener?) but i couldn't afford to test it, and maybe kill it.

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  12. troiuuuu

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    I never seen them in Viet Nam.
     
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