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  1. Cliff

    Cliff Guest

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/07/ibm_power6_show/

    [
    The Power6 chip will run between 4GHz and 5GHz, and has been shown to hum away
    at 6GHz in the lab. IBM reckons that some process technology breakthroughs have
    allowed it to kick the frequency higher while still keeping heat and power
    consumption issues under control. All told, IBM claims that Power6 will be twice
    as fast as competing server processors from Intel, AMD and Sun Microsystems.
    ]

    [
    IBM claims to have made major performance gains by stretching and squeezing
    silicon and using insulation techniques.
    ]

    http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=670
     
  2. carneyke

    carneyke Guest

    Cliff,
    Thanks for the good press on my company ! I usually don't like anything
    you post but.......
     
  3. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    Hello Cliff,

    < sarcastic_mode >
    Ok, this one is for servers but usually that means the laptop uPs will
    be pushed higher as well. Then the bloatware bloats some more, to fill
    that new uP with work. Now the runtime of a laptop will go from the
    already pathetic 1.5hrs to a half hour or so. 5 minutes of that will be
    required for the boot process, another 5 minutes for shutdown. Leaving
    about 20 minutes to play solitaire.
    < /sarcastic_mode >

    Regards, Joerg
     
  4. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    Sno-o-o-o-ort ;-)

    I rarely travel with Laptop anymore... no room to drop the tray and
    actually get fingers onto keyboard :-(

    ...Jim Thompson
     
  5. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    Hello Jim,

    I don't either but for me it's because of the paltry battery runtimes of
    'modern' laptops. From 5hrs in 90's to 1.5hrs in the new millenium. What
    a progress.

    Regards, Joerg
     
  6. Roy L. Fuchs

    Roy L. Fuchs Guest

    Turn down the CPU speed, and stop using it to watch DVDs. D'oh!

    Also, carry a battery booster battery pack, or an additional
    battery.
     
  7. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    Hello Roy,
    My old Compaq could do that, the new Dell can't. I don't own any DVDs,
    not even a DVD player at home ;-)


    So why didn't I have to do that on my old Compaq? I didn't even have
    Li-Ion, just a plain NiCd. I could have bought a high capacity NiCd to
    yield a couple hours more but 5hrs was plenty so I didn't.

    Regards, Joerg
     
  8. Phil Hobbs

    Phil Hobbs Guest

    Dunno. I get about 4-1/2 hours from my Thinkpad T42p, if all I'm doing
    is typing or reading. That's in XP--OS/2 and Fedora Core 4 both come in
    at about 3 hours, because they don't understand all the latest ACPI stuff.

    Cheers,

    Phil Hobbs
     
  9. Jon Elson

    Jon Elson Guest

    Actually, these advances may improve run time by reducing power consumption.
    Yeah bloatware is a real problem, and somebody has to put a lid on this.
    I had
    hoped Linux would be the sane voice, but they are going the bloat route,
    too.

    Fuel cell developments are getting pretty close, in fact you can
    actually buy
    a fuel cell add-on power source today, but it is more expensive than the
    laptop.
    That is going to change as they go from extreme gadgets to mainstream. The
    FAA still has some concerns about people carrying bottles of 100% methanol
    around on planes. TSA hasn't even heard about this yet, but they will
    have their
    say, I'm sure.

    Jon
     
  10. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    Hello Phil,
    That gives me hope that they'll learn the ropes again. Although, in the
    good old days you didn't have to buy a high end laptop to yield that
    much runtime. Mine was a bottom of the line Contura 410, monochrome
    screen and 66MHz max clock speed. Did all I do today, Word, CAD, SPICE,
    databases, Internet, email and the occasional C compilation.

    Regards, Joerg
     
  11. John
     
  12. Guest


    I bought a used Compaq laptop (366 MHz) with *no* battery, so I use a
    12V jumpstart battery plus a 75W inverter, and plug the laptop cord
    into the inverter. Lasts for hours. Never left it on long enough to
    time it, though.

    Was *really* nice when we had a blackout. I used the laptop to check
    the local news websites (phone line still worked) to see what the
    problem was. Just a blown power transformer - no nuclear attack.
    Whew.
     
  13. Guest

    Well IBM killed themselves with laptops.
    Since the idiots don't make ANYTHING,
    that isn't lifetime-guaranteed backward compatible with
    *Cell Phone batteries*.
     
  14. Roy L. Fuchs

    Roy L. Fuchs Guest


    Maybe it's due to the fact that there is an order of magnitude more
    (or more) clock ticks rolling by every second.
     
  15. Roy L. Fuchs

    Roy L. Fuchs Guest

    What ever happened to the good old days of AM radio civil defense?
    AM radio 700, WLW. The voice of Cincinnati! The only station in the
    country assigned to that frequency. There is also another out this
    way (westward). Don't know the call letters. They still do civil
    defense broadcasts though... both IIRC.

    The TV stations do as well. That's where the "This is a test of the
    Emergency Broadcast System." Used to be tested on the first Wednesday
    of each new month. Tornado sirens in the midwest do that as well. At
    12 noon on said days.
     
  16. zadoc

    zadoc Guest

    |>Hello Jim,
    |>
    |>
    |>> I rarely travel with Laptop anymore... no room to drop the tray and
    |>> actually get fingers onto keyboard :-(
    |>>
    |>
    |>I don't either but for me it's because of the paltry battery runtimes of
    |>'modern' laptops. From 5hrs in 90's to 1.5hrs in the new millenium. What
    |>a progress.
    |>
    |>Regards, Joerg
    |>
    |>

    <Zadoc comment starts>

    I don't have a laptop, so have never considered the problem of
    short battery life. Can see why it could be a problem, though.
    Presume that "X" is a US businessman flying to Australia. I
    don't know the current flight time offhand, but say 16 hours,
    which seems well beyond the battery capacity of most portables.

    Now lets presume for a moment that most would run from a plug in
    adapter off mains voltage of 120 VAC 60 Hz or 240 VAC 50 Hz.

    The international airline business is pretty competitive. The
    fares are regulated by IATA but there is more flexibility on the
    services provided.

    So how much trouble would it be for an airline to provide power
    to each seat position so they could advertise that a businessman
    could use his portable all the way without draining the
    batteries?

    I would think this might be a good selling point.

    Of course, providing mains voltage to each seat position might be
    inconvienent or even risky. It would be better to provide the
    proper DC voltage at the proper polarity for any computer, or for
    that matter, or for that matter, any personal entertainment
    device.

    Computers and entertainment devices take different input voltages
    at different polarities, so, as an intellectual excercise, what
    would be the best and cheapest way for an airline to implement
    such a service?

    Now, sure each seat position could have a wide range of plugs and
    sockets, but if the passenger plugs his computer into the wrong
    one and fries it, he or she won't be happy.

    How can this be made idiot-proof to the point that the passenger
    booking a seat could be asked if he will be bringing a portable
    computer, and if so, its details.

    I would think that all he should have to do is to say that he had
    a brand "XYZ" model "1234" and when he boarded the proper DC
    power cord would be waiting to serve him.

    Same for his wife and kids, perhaps, if they are going on a
    holiday. Each seat position should be able to accomodate a wide
    variety of entertainment devices.

    Perhaps one of you engineering types can pick up the concept and
    sell it to an airline?
    </ Zadoc comment ends>

    An American in Australia, posting to misc.survivalism

    Cheers,
     

  17. You aren't going to see the power 6 in a laptop or even a desktop any
    time soon. The power 6 is just a little larger (by reports) than the
    power 5. The power five is a huge chip. That sucker is at least 4
    inches square. It's a neat chip but it is expensive to manufacture.
    The smallest P5 series system is the 520 and that thing goes for about
    $8000 stripped. To pop a 520 with 2 four packs of disks, with one four
    pack plugged into the internal integrated Ultra320 SCSI controller, the
    second four pack plugged into a separate PCI-X Dual Channel Ultra320
    SCSI Raid controller, a GXT135 graphics card, you are looking at $12000
    for the whole shooting match. Of course you have redundant every thing.
    You can change disks, power supplies, cooling fans, With out taking the
    thing down.

    However even at $12,000 we sell them like Ihop sells Hot Cakes on a
    Sunday morning. I have personally loaded and configured them with AIX
    version 5.2 Maintenance level 4 to AIX 5.3, plus SLES (SuSE Linux
    Enterprise Server) Version 9.3 and shipped over 300 in the last 5
    months. Though the 520 is small you can fit over 2 terabytes(8 250 gig
    disks) of storage in them. If you fit them with a Fibre Channel HBA and
    put them in a Fibre fabric who knows how much storage you can have
    access to. Load a VXA-2 tape drive (160 gig) and it Makes a dandy
    little server that don't break.

    We expect we won't see any Power 6 boxes until the first quarter of
    2007. The big bosses are headed over to a big IBM whoopty doo in Las
    Wages in March and should come back with a lot of info on them.


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    Censorship and Gun Control are the political equivalent of binding and
    gagging a victim before raping and mugging them.

    Such acts are carried out by the same thugs, one with a law degree from
    a state pen, the other a law degree from a university for the same sick
    perverted purposes which are to remove you from your property, liberty
    and dignity, and bend you to will of others.
     
  18. Ian Malcolm

    Ian Malcolm Guest

    Like all good ideas someone else has had it before you. See
    <http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=475832>
    for details of how to get your laptop hooked up.
     
  19. Feltch Pipe

    Feltch Pipe Guest

    Loose Bowles
     
  20. Ian Stirling

    Ian Stirling Guest

    You have the source, and access to older versions of stuff.
    I run the same software on a PII300Mhz laptop - which works just fine,
    as my 1800Mhz duron.
     
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