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  1. Okay, please forget I mentioned toob sound. Thank you.

    Does anybody have any suggestions for me on the best way to build a
    precise, stable, symmetrical hyperbolic tangent transfer function
    generator?

    I have built (but not yet quantified the errors on) a circuit based on
    the LM13700 dual transconductance amplifier. How can I do it better?
     
  2. Yes.

    AD->uP->programing->DAC

    Yeh....long live analogue...

    Kevin Aylward

    http://www.anasoft.co.uk
    SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
    Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
    Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
     
  3. James Meyer

    James Meyer Guest

    If I wanted to synthesize an arbitrary monotonic function, I'd start
    with a string of diodes and resistors. PWL. Not piece-wise linear, but
    piece-wise logarithmic.

    Jim
     
  4. Tim Shoppa

    Tim Shoppa Guest

    precise, stable, symmetrical
    For what range of inputs and what precision?

    tanh(x)=x is pretty good for (within a few %) for x<0.3.

    tanh(x)=1-2*exp(-x*2) is good to a couple of percent for x>1. For that
    matter, tanh(x) = 1 is good to a percent for x>3 :).

    In between it's a matter of blending :).

    I think there's a section in the MIT Radiation Lab Volume 19 book
    "Waveforms", that talks specifically about tanh and generically about
    synthesizing nonlinear functions out of real-world compoents. I'll see
    if I can dig it up. (Are these scanned and on the web anywhere?)

    Tim.
     
  5. It seems many posting here don't seem to be aware that the basic diff
    pair is a tanh() function.

    Iout = Ie.tanh(Vin/2Vt)

    This will be quite accurate over many decades. So, why do anything at
    all? Its all done!

    Kevin Aylward

    http://www.anasoft.co.uk
    SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
    Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
    Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
     
  6. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    Without checking my math, I do believe that an ordinary bipolar
    differential pair has TANH for a transfer function.

    Pretty small range, but can be built out. Look into some of Barrie
    Gilbert's paper's.

    ...Jim Thompson
     
  7. I am passing the signal through this transfer function to prepare it
    for an A/D converter. Using a 10 bit A/D this will give me something
    between 12 and 16 bit resolution for the central 10% of the span, and
    something like 6 bit resolution at the peaks. Creating the transfer
    function with a 16 bit A/D DAC combination kind of defeats the purpose.
     
  8. Then I have to control temperature of those diodes or correct the
    result for temperature variations. At least the PWL version can e
    pretty stable. But either of these is more complicated than the
    transconductance amplifier, I think. My difficulty is quantifying the
    precision of the transconductance amplifier. If I had a temperature
    controllable differential pair, I could use opamps to form the rest of
    the circuit, and eliminate most of the tolerances.
     
  9. Thank you. I would like to see that.

    It is my understanding that an ordinary differential amplifier made
    with two junction transistors produce a tanh transfer function as the
    difference of their collector currents, based simply on the physics of
    their operation. See bottom of page 8:
    http://ee215-files.stanford.edu/handouts/HO17_215W05_DiffAmp_2pp.pdf

    The simplest way to extract this transfer function seems to be an
    integrated transconductance amplifier, like the LM13700 (or CA3080),
    but all those current mirrors add rather unspecified errors to the
    front end transfer function.
     
  10. This is what I am counting upon.
    There is a temperature term in there to be dealt with. My original
    post called "Toob Sound?" described how I use the two spare darlington
    transistors in the LM13700 chip and the voltage drop across the gain
    control current mirror to devise a chip temperature control loop.
    That seems to work pretty well. But all the current mirrors between
    the differential pair and the current output are not very well
    characterized, so I am worried about the final accuracy.

    I could surround a differential pair with a few opamps and subtract
    the two collector currents with that and eliminate the current mirror
    errors, but I still need to control the temperature of the
    differential pair. Perhaps I can get a dual pair and use one as a
    heater to control the temperature of the other. I hate to have to
    build an oven around the device.
     
  11. I would like very much to read Gilbert's papers, but I keep running
    into IEEE requests for my membership number (which I don't have).
     
  12. Rob Gaddi

    Rob Gaddi Guest

    Okay, so the entire purpose of this tanh exercise is to do signal
    companding, right? Any particular purpose for prefering tanh(x) over
    the usual log(x) way of doing it? Also, what are your bandwidth and
    cost requirements? One or the other must be pretty severe if just going
    to a 16 bit ADC isn't a far easier option.
     
  13. Ban

    Ban Guest

    It will be quite an effort to get a stable output voltage, since the
    differential amplifier transfer function has the factor (Vin/2Vt) in it, Vt
    being the temperature voltage around 25.5mV at room temp.. Transistors need
    to be matched, I recommend LM198 there can be an offset pot. With 0.1mA the
    input impedance is 80k. You can use a PTC with +3300ppm to compensate for
    the Ut temperature dependency.
    The circuit is also useful to convert a triangle wave to a sin. the best
    conversion is with +/- 2.8Ut=72mV. then the distortion is minimal 1.3%, but
    can be lowered with an additional diode pair to 0.4%.
    I paste you again my proposition here:


    +15V
    o
    |
    _V_
    .---|___|---.
    | 1k |
    .-. .-.
    | | | | R2_
    | |R1 | |R1 +-|___|-GND
    +/-10V '-'150k '-'150k |100k
    o | | | |\
    | | +-------+---|+\
    .-. | | | >-+--o Uout
    | | +-----------)-------+---|-/ | +/-10V
    | |19k | | | |/ |
    '-' | | | __100k|
    | |/ \| +-|___|--+
    +----| LM198 |-+ R2
    | |> <| |
    .-. | | ===
    | / +-----+-----+ GND Uout=Ie x R2 tanh (Uin/2Ut)
    ,/| |
    /-'1k | Ut=25.5mV
    |PTC / \
    | ( Ie)100uA
    === \_/
    GND |
    o
    -15V
    (created by AACircuit v1.28 beta 10/06/04 www.tech-chat.de)
     
  14. Ban

    Ban Guest

    Should be LM194 or 394
     
  15. The signal swings both ways from zero.
    Right now, cost is not a factor, because I am exploring alternatives.
    The bandwidth is less than 100 Hz. The signal spends 99+% of the
    time within a few percent of zero. I am working on a means to connect
    a seismometer to a PC, and one way involves using the very inexpensive
    and available 10 bit converter sold by DataQ:
    http://www.dataq.com/products/startkit/di194rs.htm
    Right now, it is more of an educational exercise than a product.
     
  16. Mochuelo

    Mochuelo Guest

    Hi,

    For that bandwidth, it would be better to use an ADC with 16 or 18
    bits.

    If you really want to use the (I agree, very cheap) datalogger you
    mentioned, here's an idea: You could feed your signal to CH1, and also
    a 10x version of it to CH2, using a simple amplifier. Depending on the
    input circuitry, you might need protection zeners (two in anti-series,
    from line to the 0 V node, at each channel input that would otherwise
    be "overloaded"). You would then have two waveforms to look at: one 1x
    and one 10x. During the time intervals where the 10x saturates, you
    would look at the 1x. You could work out some signal processing (at
    the PC) to (more or less) seamlessly convey them into one displayed
    signal. You could use the time when none of the channel saturates to
    "cross-calibrate" the dependencies (you would be calibrating your
    analog amp).

    Since the datalogger has four channels, you could extend the idea to
    have {1x, 5x, 10x and 50x} simultaneous resolutions, for instance.

    Best,
    Mochuelo.
     
  17. Mochuelo

    Mochuelo Guest

    Well, if the output saturation voltage of your amp is lower than the
    max input voltage of the channel input, of course you don't need
    anything.
     
  18. Thanks for an interesting possibility that still allows the use of
    this data logger.
     
  19. James Meyer

    James Meyer Guest

    If size isn't a big concern, a small circuit board (or stack of two
    boards) with the diode/resistor string and a resistive heater and a thermistor
    placed in a styrofoam container could do the job. You'd then have access to all
    the internal circuitry to tweak to your heart's content. A cube 2 inches on a
    side would probably be big enough. OCXO's are about the same size.

    Jim
     
  20. Bob Monsen

    Bob Monsen Guest

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